Does It Matter Where I Live?
Just putting it out there. I kinda need a phone group or a group who wants to chat once a month. Mom of four, who’s an artist. I’m moving at a snails pace with my artwork. Maybe not my artwork, but the business side. Shooting for licensing but slowly adding more products in my online shop and doing wholesale in a few shops. Looking for people that know that it’s not time to go full speed ahead with this career. Who likes to learn the business side of things for the future. But also enjoys perfecting their craft and building their portfolio so when it’s time to hit send on those letters to companies (or publishers) you’re ready. So, anyone who wants to chat let me know. Let’s see if we can get a group of the limbo artist. Ha!
One more thing, I love you guys to death, so please know this comes from a place that I just want to give you a heads up. Please don’t call a woman who is working as many hours as a guy or has a career as successful as a man (or more, cause some of these women bring in a seven figure salary) a “stay at home mom” and she’s an artist too. Something like that. I love my husband who now works from home. But he is most certainly not a “stay at home dad.” People like Sarah Jane Wright, Natalie Malan (you can not get more freaking adorable than that woman, who is the face of pattern design for circuit), Tannie Smith, Bonnie Christine, Emily Jeffords and many many more aren’t stay at home moms. Howerver, I. Am. A. Losing my mind. Stay. At. Home. Mom. Who is an artist. Anyways, around the lady watercooler it’s just not super to hear time and time again. Just a friendly heads for you guys.
One more, “time and season” is the crappiest phrase for me at this time. I’ve heard “time and season” for 20 years. It’s a common phrase that’s used in a certain setting. Those who have heard it a lot know where. (It’s church, sorry, I won’t be vague). Now it stings. So, if you could be creative and find a cool way to say, you can’t fit it all in sometimes. If you can cut out some of the fat of your day, then awesome. Here are some ways to do that. If you can’t, it’s okay to move at a slower pace towards your goal. And as a few other people have said who I follow, “do it for the process.” If you enjoy making art, just improve for the sake that you love it. Enjoy the freedom of creating with no deadlines, creating work that you want without an art director or assignment. Make your stories and make them as good as you can. The first part of Will’s book that talks about having to make art in order to breathe! Yep. I loved it!
Anyways- looking to start a peer group that wants to talk art and some business because my husband is a good listener, but doesn’t give a tone of feedback. He’s got a nice smile and nods his head.
It would be fun to use the people on the forum as personal researchers if someone needs to write about a location far from them. For example, I live in a rural part of New York state (US) where there are a lot of farms and would be happy to drive around for @xin-li and take photos of something specific she needed to know, although right now everything is buried under several feet of snow. The internet is great for reference but sometimes when you aren't from an area, it's hard to tell if you are choosing the most appropriate photos. (For example, barns in one part of the US are stylistically different from barns in another part.) There is a lot of geographical representation in this forum and people could use one another's local knowledge to help make sure things are illustrated correctly.
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@LauraA actually we are looking at it now that my husband has a job where he can work remotely!
@demotlj you’re not kidding. That would be awesome. I love pooling resources!
That's a great idea, @demotlj! It sure helps to know the setting that you're illustrating, and I love those little details.
@carlianne Well, in the end, maybe COVID will have had a least a little silver lining, for some people!
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@demotlj so sweet. I will ask for help once I dig deeper into the project. I am at the kickstarting phase. I asked for a meeting with the editor to figure out her and the author's vision. Normally with fiction, I would just go ahead and do a dummy. But this one is a little trickier. Would be really cool to get some help from fellow artists at this forum.
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I heard this and all the questions are typically me, I am a mom for three kids with barley no time in this circumstances of covid 19, I live In Egypt away from my work place, as I illustrate for different clients from all over the globe, USA , Hong Kong , England, Dubai and this is never an obstacle, also I started my career shift at 41 years old Lol when I had to resign from a 16 years interior auditor position for a petroleum company,and was doing my inktober for the first time and that was one of the reasons, I thought of illustration as a career, I started a self taught program but figured out I have no time for that and I need to hurry up the time lapse, so I started taking courses and fine art work shops till this moment beside me doing gigs to clients, mostly of my instagram account although I have a very few followers, and thanks God yes I made a living out of it.
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I have been thinking a lot about Jake, Will, and Lee's answer to the question from the woman who has three pre-school kids and is wondering if she can start a project given her limited time. I love the podcasts and I think Jake, Will, and Lee try very hard to not bring their bias into their answers but in this case their answer felt just a little off and I wondered if they would have answered a man differently (and my memory from past podcasts may be that in fact, they have.)
It seems like the best way to cope with these kinds of questions is to remove specifics and say, for example: "A and B have three school age children. A works at a full time job outside of the home. B is an illustrator who is tending the children during the day. How can B work on projects and advance B's career in illustration while not negatively impacting the children?" The gender of A and B is not specified and so A and B could be respectively a man and a woman, a woman and a man, two women, or two men. The genders of the participants are really immaterial to the question but when you specify the gender, it's hard for any of us to let go of subconscious bias.
Thinking of it without gender, however, it seems like the best approach would be for A and B to discuss their arrangements and try to find a way to provide B the time B needs to work on a project. This may involve reducing A's hours so that A can be at home some of the time, or seeking child care/daycare for at least a few hours a week, or having A take on child care duties in evening or early morning so B can have an hour or two a day for a project. The size of the project B takes on would depend on A and B's discussion as to how many hours they can together carve out for B's work. The important thing would be for A to recognize B's needs and as partners prioritize one another's needs along with the children's needs.
There is no question that pre-schoolers require a lot of time and energy but the adults' lives don't have to stop completely if the parents commit to a real partnership with one another as well as to the children. I raised three kids as a single parent and worked full time while doing it (not as an illustrator but still full time) so I'm thinking that two parents must be able to work out a way for "B" to do some illustrating before the kids are in school.
Just my two cents.
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Hi everyone! I am a religious podcast listener, but not an active poster on the forums. However, I had to come over and chime in on the question about working moms. I love the podcast, but no offense, Jake, Will and Lee were a little out of their expertise on that one, bless your hearts.
I am a mom of 4 young kids and I am also a professional working illustrator. I work in art licensing doing a lot of mass market product artwork: notebooks, gift cards, wrapping paper, gift products, fabric, etc. It's extremely hard and a little messy to balance the two, but it can be done. I do only work part-time and I have to be very efficient with my time, but I have a successful career.
One of the most helpful things I can recommend to other moms trying to figure out how to make it work is this podcast:
I guess my biggest point I wanted to make is, if you want to make it happen, you can. You don't have to wait til your kids are older. (But also... it's ok if you choose to do that!) I wanted to give that optimistic outlook to other working moms trying to get going on things. It's gonna be hard, its going to take some sacrifice and juggling. Having good childcare or some kind of arrangement like @demotlj mentioned in her "A and B" example is key. Also, we eat frozen things for dinner more often that I would prefer but hey.