@Blima-Spetner larger paper or drawing within a smaller box on the paper you have will help. Also taping down to your table and putting a point right on the table would work great. I have to admit to not having taken David’s class. I only checked the final to see if I could help. I am a teacher and do isometric drawings all the time so it is fun for me. There are two books that I own that answer any question I have ever had about perspective and I cannot recommend them enough. This guy is a true master and explains things very thoroughly. I’m sure David’s class does the same but it is nice to have a book in hand sometimes. Work slowly through the books or the class again and do not skip to the next exercise until you are sure you have mastered the ideas presented. I added a quick sketch to show the idea of having two point perspective with one of the points being a clear focal point in the frame. I put one vanishing point in the doorway. This is a great way to guide the viewer’s eye to where you want them to look. The second point is well off of the page. This could either be on your table or on a large sheet of paper where you are only using a small section for the drawing itself. For the mirror you added I was only suggesting that you build a box to sort out the top and bottom ellipses for your oval. You could construct a circle at the top and bottom of the rectangle to help guide the drawing of the shape.
Basic Perspective final
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@Blima-Spetner it's really hard to see your picture and I am no expert. Though I can relate! The first several times I did this it was pretty hard. I think making a grid is a good place to start though and then establishing the room.
I usually from a perspective viewpoint draw the squares for the furniture on the floor first so that they are in the right place next to each other. Then build them up into the combination of cubes needed to make them the right hight.
I think drawing traditionally might be harder because things are not easily sized up and sized down. If your grid squares are too big on your piece of paper things don't fit as well. And too small can make it hard to work.
Perhaps a good idea to get a hang of what size squares you need for your grid is to just draw a few different grids on several pieces of paper. Put a a few small boxes in them along with the edges where you will put your walls. see how the samples look in the space you have available. Once you feel confident you have the proportional size and viewpoint you need for your picture. Draw in the boxes for the room. It might take a few times to get it right.
Doing a grid and working on a single object in a room could also be helpful before diving into the whole thing. Just to get a hang of drawing from grids and boxes, which can feel incredibly unnatural haha.
I am sure there are lots of ways to go about building this room however, so I think expirimentation will help you find the way that works best for you
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@Kevin-Longueil I am blown away (sincerely) by your kindness in giving me such a detailed explanation and helping me out.
I used 2 point p and it was the top two corners of the page. Yes I can see that they are too close together and perhaps that is why it seems skewed
I will try again.
Should I use a big huge paper and space the vp further?
Lol to the table and chair. I threw that in with a spurt of creativity knowing that they were 1 vp and totally forgot about using the horizon line at all!!
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@MerryMary thank you for taking your time to help me!! When you say draw a grid first do you mean to print out a grid or just draw it in by hand.
In my head when you say draw a grid I think it means to make the vanishing point and then draw the lines and create a ton of box's is this what you meant
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@Blima-Spetner I'm the instructor for this course. And yep, I do check in time to time.
What has been fantastic to see is how former students of the course have become "Perspective Pros" (my unofficial title for SVS'ers who clearly have mastered these concepts) and the mutual assistance you all give to each other.
Since the idea of these forums is to foster communication between the members I tend not to chime in unless someone is clearly not getting the needed feedback. But in this case @Kevin-Longueil and @MerryMary are doing a great job of explaining their process -- and you are clearly gaining more and more mastery.
Great job everyone!
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@davidhohn oh wow thank you for chiming in!!!!!!! Thank you for the course. DO you think I am on the right track at all with my drawing? I am going to start over and try again. I can see things are off. I think I will draw on a larger paper. Is it normal it is taking me hours to draw this?
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@Blima-Spetner yes, you're just going to draw a bunch of criss-cross lines from your two perspective points. Then you will need to draw simple box shapes to make up the items in the room.
The floor plan that is printed out from the assignment is for creating cubes that are the same shape and size to each other, drawn in perspective.
If the bed has 2x3 squares on the floor and 1 square from the side view you need 6 cubes. All next to each other to make up that shape for the bed etc.. you don't have to draw each individual cube, if you don't want, but it should take up the indicated amount of space for each item.
Don't stress if it isn't perfect though, just do your best work! The point is to learn from it so if you gain more understanding of perspective from any attempts in my book that is a win
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@davidhohn Oh wow thank you for chiming in I am grateful for your course. Do you think I got this at all?
I will try again to draw on a bigger paper. Is it normal it is taking me hours? I went through this slowly and keep trying and trying and it feels somehow I am missing something? -
@Blima-Spetner larger paper or drawing within a smaller box on the paper you have will help. Also taping down to your table and putting a point right on the table would work great. I have to admit to not having taken David’s class. I only checked the final to see if I could help. I am a teacher and do isometric drawings all the time so it is fun for me. There are two books that I own that answer any question I have ever had about perspective and I cannot recommend them enough. This guy is a true master and explains things very thoroughly. I’m sure David’s class does the same but it is nice to have a book in hand sometimes. Work slowly through the books or the class again and do not skip to the next exercise until you are sure you have mastered the ideas presented. I added a quick sketch to show the idea of having two point perspective with one of the points being a clear focal point in the frame. I put one vanishing point in the doorway. This is a great way to guide the viewer’s eye to where you want them to look. The second point is well off of the page. This could either be on your table or on a large sheet of paper where you are only using a small section for the drawing itself. For the mirror you added I was only suggesting that you build a box to sort out the top and bottom ellipses for your oval. You could construct a circle at the top and bottom of the rectangle to help guide the drawing of the shape.
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@MerryMary love your last line thank you. Going to keep practicing on this
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@Kevin-Longueil oh wow I went through the class really slow and yet I guess I am on the longer learner's curves!! I should go through it again. Wow ok hard not to get down on myself. But it is what it is. I will keep going and not give up
I will try a small box first on a paper and then try on a big paper thank you for even making me a sketch to illustrate very very giving ( why are you so giving lol
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@Blima-Spetner Yes. It is perfectly normal for this to take hours as you are starting.
Keep in mind you are creating an optical illusion here. The illusion of 3D space on a 2D plane. This is a mind bending task! I remember watching an old PBS documentary about the artists/mathematicians who originally figured all this out and it blew my 9 year old mind!
Be kind to yourself. Recognize your successes and build on them. It gets easier -- but the learning never stops.
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@davidhohn Thank you for giving me feedback.
This is the retry. Please tell me what I did wrong ( and right LOL)
I can see the circle is off and the dresser/toy chest whatever you want to call it- it is the south of the page) looks off as well
Thank you
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@Kevin-Longueil wow you are good. way past my skill level but I am learning
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@Kevin-Longueil is this better?
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@Blima-Spetner This is the retry. Please tell me what I did wrong ( and right LOL)
I can see the circle is off and the dresser/toy chest whatever you want to call it- it is the south of the page) looks off as well
Thank you
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@Blima-Spetner looking good! I have a question about the object in the foreground. Is it an addition or is it supposed to be the bookcase on the south wall? If it is an additional piece of furniture that you have added it does look like it has a different horizon line than the rest of the drawing. I had a crack at it and added a picture below. Thanks for the compliment
I am using procreate though which makes this stuff super easy. I ended up needing to put the vanishing point very far away to get the positioning right. Great job sticking with it. It really does look improved!
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@Kevin-Longueil thank you for your patience I still can't believe you have stuck with me and are still taking your time to help. YES that "object" does look like it has a different horizon but I keep measuring it goes to the same vp!!
I don't know why it looks like that.
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@davidhohn thank you for your kind words any other feedback
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@Blima-Spetner for final adjustments I would say the clock is too low on the wall and the space between the East wall and the bed is compressed a bit too much for there to be room for the side table and toy chest. In the floor plan there is a couple of feet between the side table and wall by my estimation. I completed the room to include the ceiling and floor to show just how distorted a room becomes when the vanishing points are close together. I constructed an oversized ellipse in perspective where the clock would be just to make it a bit more legible. The zero through 12 on the left is just me deciding that the ceiling is 12 feet high and the bed is 24 inches off the ground to help place the height of the oversized clock. I included the bookcase which lines up with the west side of the carpet on one end and the East side of the bed on the other. Having multiple vanishing points by adding a rotated object is doable but is super hard to explain how do do it accurately. There are a lot of YouTube videos on multiple vanishing points though. If it does not have to be perfect but just believable that will make it much easier. You can build a cube in the perspective of the room that your object fits within and rotate it within an ellipse that you draw on the top…easy peasy
Kidding….hurts my brain a little bit. I think finishing the floor and ceiling really gives an idea of how distorted things will need to look in the foreground though to be accurate.
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@Blima-Spetner Given the way SVS is set up I would say go ahead and move on the Visualizing Drawing.
Pretty sure that one is taught by Will. He'll cover very much the same info as Basic Perspective but with a slightly different focus. And that's the thing that I've found as I've been learning across the years. A concept that I can't quite get from one class/instructor will suddenly become crystal clear when coming from a different class/instructor.
The benefit really comes from then going back to an earlier class with a new or deeper well of information to draw on. This is one of the things that I like about SVS (as compared to a typical college experience) You can take a class over and over each time gleaning some new insight.