Episode 2 - Am I Too Old To Get Started?
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I listened to episode 2 yesterday. Like Miss Mushy, I'm 54. I started training myself in illustration about a year-and-a-half ago after going through some very major life changes. So when I hear people asking if 35-40 is too late, I think, "Oh, stop it!" Similarly to Jake's example, I have a friend who (professionally) published a truly interesting memoir last year, at 91.
My main age-related problems are 1) Doing the math and seeing how far I have to go to build a portfolio I can be proud of and enough work to support myself, and related to that, 2) giving myself permission to prioritize art and not get too distracted with the rest of life. In the end, you have to find a balance. If I'm going to make good art well into old age, I also have to eat well, sleep enough, exercise and develop good friendships. I think that last part is especially important for people who work alone!
Like the guys said, when you've already raised a family/had a career/gone through hardships your art won't be the same as a young person looking to be a phenomenon. The problem is more that you have so much experience, but little time, and therefore you have to choose your tasks wisely. I've been looking at art for years and the ability/taste gap is huge. How can I narrow it without wasting too much time? Especially when it seems that failure is an inherent part of the process?
There's a whole woman problem here somewhere as well, since I strongly suspect there are more woman who find themselves in this position than men (or at least they have different challenges when they do), but maybe that's another podcast.
But what I loved most about this podcast episode doesn't even have so much to do with starting late as it is good sense generally for self-starters: It's Jake's three-phase self-study battle plan. It helped me to get a realistic idea of where I am (trying hard to kick it into phase 2) and how far I still have to go (so impatient to have a good portfolio!)
And like I said in the thread about the first podcast, I like that this podcast fills a hole in the illustration podcast world, just as this site does generally. I'm looking forward to hearing future episodes!
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@holleywilliamson I hear you, Holley! I spent four years with pretty serious insomnia and it recurs occasionally. All it does is waste the next day, so I have learned what to do in order to sleep enough. One of those things, unfortunately, is to not stay on the computer drawing too late! Sometimes the best way to be ambitious is to be moderate. Enthusiasm gets us going, but good habits keep us going.
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sorry for the long post
First off, 3 Point Perspective is already on the level of "immediately download and listen." Thank you for the great inspiration.I was taking notes during the podcast and found that I'm in a confusing space. I check off parts of each phase, and feel like I'm on the right path, but I need to clarify the road ahead. This is where I am for each phase:
Phase 1
- Draw 2 hours/day & Enroll in classes - I draw as often as I can. 2 hours a day? Pretty much. I'm taking courses on SVS, but admittedly not at the clip at which I would like.
- Learn the fundamentals - I covered fundamentals with classes in HS and my second trip to college. I'm taking classes with SVS to up those skills and learn more. I haven't filled 6+ sketchbooks of fundamental work though, maybe 2.
- Pick 5 artists and copy their work 20x - I've done a lot of copying over the years
- Seek advice from a professional - What's the best way to do this?
- Fill your creative bank account - EVERYDAY!
- Publicize your goal - Numerous posts on my website and SM
Phase 2
- Draw 4 hours/day - I need to work up to this level. 12 hours at job and commute doesn't help. Neither do 4 kids. But if I am more focused I can fit more into the time I do have.
- More intermediate classes and one-on-one Leveling up with SVS eventually
- Complete the Draw 100 somethings challenge. Post to SM - I started on fairies but I wasn't that excited about it. So I'm switching that up and drawing an original alien dude and filling out his species
- *Study the field that interests you. - *Buying and reading comics out the wazoo!
- Tell stories with your work Need to be consistent with this one.
Phase 3
- Make a product - I made a sketchbook of my Inktober drawings from last year (available soon on my website *wink *wink). I sold 4 out of 100 at AwesomeCon a month ago.
- Enter contests, put yourself out there - I submitted 5 pages of a comic for the Creators for Creators grant. That was nerve racking but exciting at the same time. They say who won this month. I
maycreated a topicand letso y'all can see what I entered.
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@jaepereira said in Episode 2 - Am I Too Old To Get Started?:
Seek advice from a professional - What's the best way to do this?
I second that question
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@tom-shannon Absolutely agree with the age range. I feel more idea's, concepts and my thoughts more solid in my 30's then I did in my 20's
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@jthomas For sure, the 30's is a prime time for artistic growth. Speaking for myself, my art at 20 something looks a little silly. I drew random stuff that had no real meaning or purpose. I think an artist has to tell a personal story in order to grow and to gain an audience. Drawing a cool looking "thing" can only get you so far. I've learned this fact the hard way
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Hi All!
I just wanted to add to everyone else's gratitude for these podcasts! Will, Jake, Lee and everyone else that helps bring SVS to us – you do a fantastic job so thank you sincerely!! These are another great addition to this resource and community!
This podcast really hit the nail on the head for me... I'm 35(!!!), fell in love with drawing a couple of years back, and have been feeling more than ever drawn to creative industries having until now gone down a science research route. Much like some others here I took some notes during the podcast and am working on my plan! It's amazing the feeling you get when you actually have something to aim for written down in front of you rather than just floating around in your head – the crazy mix of excitement and trepidation!
I'm currently working on a list of artists – sorting through the multitude – to pick just 5 that I hope will help me towards my goals. Once I have decided, I was thinking to post the list on the forum to get feedback whether these would be suitable as I don't want to fall into the trap of picking artists that aren't suitable for whatever reason.
Also, on my to-do list is find someone or a group more local (in the UK) to maybe meet up with once in a while and go through things in person... Anyone up for an SVS UK chapter?
As an encouragement I've been reminded of something my music teacher would tell me – if you're playing as part of a band make sure they are better musicians than you as whilst it can be somewhat terrifying it's the best way to improve!
Hope everyone has a great weekend!
— James H —
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@holleywilliamson Thanks so much:)
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@jaepereira I'd like to see what yuo entered! Sounds like you're doing pretty well.
Marsha Ottum Owen
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@jamesh I used to be a medicinal chemist - worked in research for more than a decade! I’m not in the UK, but maybe there’s space for an „European“ chapter? @LauraA @Dulcie @Leontine and all other old continent people on SVS - could be fun to meet once, maybe at the Frankfurt or Bologna book fairs...
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I'm in my thirties and only started working digitally in 2016. I had financial restrictions that pulled me back but it cheers me up to see my progress over 2 years. It will take time to fully master my new tools and get a well-rounded portfolio out there. 1 foot in front of the other
I totally agree that you need a mentor. a compass that shows you north.
I would add health to the list of things you cannot sacrifice. I'd sacrifice a job in a heartbeat but not my health.
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I've started my serious art career eight years ago (age 39). Its changed my life completely. I feel like I finally really am alive! I am just starting, but who cares about age? perhaps its more easy for younger people, but I am very motivated, thats what I lacked when I was younger. I guess I thought I was naturally talented. When I found out that my art was not good at all, I decided to change attitude and work hard to become better.
@smceccarelli That would be awesome! Ill probably be there this year. Lets try and meet up! -
@marsha-kay-ottum-owen http://forum.svslearn.com/post/44537
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Hi everyone. I am 45 and listening to this episode made me decide to take a path I had got off of a long time ago. It was so inspiring, I really took the things said to heart.
After secondary school (1 million years ago) I did a foundation course in art and a diploma in graphics and advertising. I had always drawn and painted, from tiny, all the way through school but lost some interest when it came to higher education, so I took a short course in something I thought I could get a job in and then go back to illustration. Well, I actually got a job as an art restorer and loved it so have spent 24 years doing that (I don't regret not following the illustration path at that time at all btw) while drawing and painting on the side (not seriously, hobby work, sold a few bits). That career is now winding down for me and after much soul searching I realised I wanted to give illustration a serious go again. I found the podcast as I was going through this process so I took it as a sign and signed up for the course to help me get started. I plan to work through the phases outlined in the podcast, build up my skills and porfolio and in a couple of years apply for a masters in illustration online course that the University of Falmouth run. I am posting this partly for accountability, partly because I am keen to immerse in the process and the SVS courses. So, hi! -
I already posted to this but I'd like to add that most of you, compared to me, are still quite young. In my eyes you have so many years ahead of you! I went back to school and got an AA in Art at the local Community college when my son joined the army. It was a good way to stay occupied. I was amazed at what I good student I was
Maturity makes a world of difference At the time I had kids that were going to the college at the same time I was, that was kind of cool (not for them so much ) I remember thinking I shouldn't be spending money for school when by the time I finished I'd probably be ready to retire (I think I was about 55 then). A wise older woman said to me, " You'll still be ready to retire even if you don't go." In other words, you're going to get older anyway, you might as well learn something and enjoy it. I also felt pressure (self-imposed) to be successful and earn money since I spent money for my education but, I have come to the point that I will do what I do because I want to-not for money-besides I really don't want that kind of stress at this time of my life. However, I do want to be as good as a professional before I die In the meantime, I enjoy being here and love to be connected with all you wonderful creative people. Slowly but surely I am progressing and I love watching the progress of so many of you. I'm rooting for all of you, young and old! -
I had no idea Yuko Shimizu was such a hot illustrator. I watched an inking tutorial she did a while back and thought it was great, but I never went to her site. She has worked for about every top publication out there, yet she's so down to earth. I think age has nothing to do with it really. It's about loving something so much your just driven to do it .
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I spent all of my 20s bouncing around various jobs (art framer, blacksmith, high school art teacher). Two years ago I took the plunge and decided to transition into full time illustration. I'm now 33 and scraping together a living as an early career science illustrator (currently working a 6-month contract for the lab of ornithology). I found this episode really encouraging and validating, as I took many of the same steps you mentioned in your "phases" while working a full-time teaching job. I also really appreciate the statements to the effect of "How much do you want it/what are you willing to sacrifice" because they land very close to home.
Questions I'd love to hear you address further that tie into this episodes topic are:
1.) Do you recommend getting hyper specialized or being a generalist? I have had a lot of luck so far having a generalist approach in my field (science illustration), but you guys sound pretty specialized in your approach - for example, you all seem to be proponents of knowing where you want to be even as early as your first year/phase 1. The reality of needing a job has sort of forced me to bounce around a lot (from museums to publications, from paleoart to ornithological illustrations, etc...) My strategy has always sort of been "apply for everything and choose your best options."
2.) How do you deal with "imposter syndrome" in your early (or even mid/late) career. I liked (I think it was Lee's) four rules of "are you good", but I still find myself struggling despite meeting those criteria. I've heard from a lot of colleagues in similar stages of their career that they are struggling with this as well. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Loving the podcast, and I've shared it with both my colleagues and former students!
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Great podcast!!
I had a question about the master copy segment. A few of the artists in my top 5, also produce a lot of sketches for their work. Would it be a good idea to copy these works?
Second, and I think I know the answer, does the master copy you've chosen news to be produced in the same medium as the original?
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@jake-parker This podcast was a great encouragement and reminder that it's not too late to get started, or to improve on what I'm doing. I've been freelancing for 11 years now, and I'm an okay artist but a sucky businessman. You guys have inspired me to lift my game. As soon as I finish my university degree this year I'll be signing up for your SVS Learn classes. Thanks for all that you guys are doing.
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I haven't listened to any of the podcasts yet (rectifying that in a minute) but I feel like you started these at the perfect time for me. I have just finished my first year as an illustration and animation student at uni. I'm 41 and although there are other mature students in my class I'm the only parent - I have a friend in the second year who is also a parent both of us single parents so we have kind of clung to each other as this year ended in a massive roller coaster of emotions for both of us. Although I am 20 years her senior we have both felt at times that we were kidding ourselves and that we couldn't do it. I've come out the other side loving my first year, emotionally drained, feeling like I've learnt loads but at the same time feeling like I know nothing at all - hence my slinking back here to make better use of SVS than I have over the summer.
Whenever we went into the software classes (they use Photoshop, Illustrator, Dragon Frame etc etc) I really felt my lack of knowledge - I went in thinking Adobe just did some kind of something with PDF's - now I find out they rule my world and I am some kind of slave to all the mumbo jumbo. (Us older ones would grab a teenager to sit next to us in class)
So in advance, thank you for these podcasts - I'm now going to re-sub and actually do the classes - I want to strut in throwing around my PS knowledge in September rather than blubbing that I don't know how to turn on the damn Apple machines. (PC user all the way here)
Am I to old - I certainly feel it at the moment but am loving it all the same. Determined to get there (although where there is... I haven't decided yet!)
I may be back once I've listened to the podcast
