Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations

@lpetiti said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

What has amazed me is that, even though people say they aren't sticking around with Inktober and Jake, they feel the need to do just that and bash anyone who still participates. "I'm unfollowing you." or things similar to it run rampent in comments. My opinion has always been "Okay, that's your business..." Why people feel the need to make a big production about posting how they will no longer participate in anything has always baffled me.

thats how it alway works. people dont like something and want other people to not like it too. in this case for sure with the additional mindsetting that they have to let the people know the "truth" for them to follow theire path because why else would the prompt lists still get so many likes. it must be that people dont know and not just that they either side with him, dont care or whatever.

i just wait for the first people claiming he copied alphonsos stuff with the new indigogo easy sketchbook "mirror" device

djlambson

@danielerossi Oh my gosh. I sketched this yesterday in preparation for my first go at Inktober.
I guess we should not be surprised..it was literally my first ..well, second thought. Now I'm curious how many of these there will be!

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lpetiti

@Molambo I had a friend tell me "you're aware of his plagiarism right? We discovered that he stole work. Just be aware of it when you post with the hashtag".

The way people think we're ignorant of accusations just because we dont buy into them is...mind boggling.

pixel.dsp

@NessIllustration You articulated it so well. Just like what Kesh said in his video with regards to people criticizing Jake for “lawyering up”: In what kind of la la cuckoo land do they live in?...
The event is called Inktober and not Digitober... and I still used multiple types of medium and hastaged Inktober and the world did not end.
Do artists think they can just use someone else’s logo without permission?
And I hope Alphonse also “lawyered up” because he’s gonna need one for making such serious accusations.

danielerossi

@djlambson Hahahahaha this is so funny, scary, and cool at the same time

djlambson

@danielerossi Agreed! crazy.

NessIllustration

@djlambson All of you are plagiarists apparently haha!

@lpetiti yeah, i really wonder when the innocent till proven guilty thing changed. based on the last insta post from alphonso the thing will not be done in a shot amount of time. i really wonder how this will end, book itself is still listed on amazon.

djlambson

@NessIllustration We are!

lpetiti

@Molambo it's hard not to be skeptical of him, because I just saw that post and no where does it seem like he acknowledges that 1)its for the courts to decide and LAWYERS and 2)he has contributed to a lot of the "haters" online by giving them a platform to speak up without any of us knowing the full story. I'm not just blindly following Jake either, I dont think any of us are. If, for some unknown reason, it ended up being that he did plagiarize, then he would need to be held accountable, as all artists would. Problem is...I dont think he did so he shouldnt be held accountable until such time (however unlikely) its determined he did. And if he didnt...then hes having to deal with other peoples rash decisions to accuse without knowing all of the facts.

One interesting observation...just browsing around the comments to Alphonsos post. I dont see anyone criticizing him or bad mouthing him. I'm assuming if people dont agree, then they're just not posting. So...why dont those followers pay the Inktober posts the same courtesy?

NessIllustration

@Molambo I just looked up that post, wow... It's a bad trip, but the comments take the cake. Someone said: "You have treated this episode in a very calm way and earned much respect." I really have no words.

K.Flagg

Just read Alphonso's post....wow....just wow.

George Broussard

@lpetiti said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

One interesting observation...just browsing around the comments to Alphonsos post. I dont see anyone criticizing him or bad mouthing him. I'm assuming if people dont agree, then they're just not posting. So...why dont those followers pay the Inktober posts the same courtesy?

You have to click to see recent comments, vs top comments. The top comments are clearly the ones ppl click like on and bubble and are skewed toward Dunn. There are a fair number of posts calling Dunn out but they are never seen because Top Comments is the default.

davidhohn

So I imagine the post being referred to by @NessIllustration and @Molambo is Dunn's recent IG post.
As some SVS members may go over and read it I feel compelled to make the same correction here that I did on his post:

POOR MANS COPYRIGHT is a myth. Do not do this. Please research copyright law. It is not hard, and if you are a creative it is the basis of your job.

https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html

I love copyright. The concept of it, teaching it, using it in my job. There's nothing more frustrating than seeing 25,000 people getting fed misinformation about it.

Edit: So he posted the same thing to his YouTube channel. Now there's 600K people "learning" this stuff. . . . sigh. . . .

Norman Morana

@George-Broussard I think they’re referring to Dunn’s new post on Instagram. Unless you are too? I’m not sure if you can arrange comments on Instagram. I’ve been looking at that new post off and on. I haven’t seen a single negative comment on there either. Guessing people that can see that the book is most likely authentic are also more polite.

Venting side notes:

This whole ordeal is incredibly frustrating to see. One comment on Jake’s recent post, shows that someone is sending out misinformation that if you tag a post with Inktober, Jake owns it. Silly. Some people don’t get that it’s only the Inktober logo you can’t freely use, which makes sense. I work with logos in my day job and you can’t just go throwing those around willy-nilly. And then to assume someone who’s been teaching and helping people for years isn’t capable of writing their own book. Also I worry about the implications this could have for anyone wanting to teach in the future.

I haven’t been able to find the book on amazon by searching but I can always still see It when I go to my preorder. It’s always shown the price but today instead of the dollar amount it reads “currently unavailable” hoping thats not a sign of bad news or a huge delay.

rafaartstudio

@Norman-Morana On Twitter someone I shared Kesh's video said to me could not search the book, so I checked through my bookmarks, sigh is currently unavailable.

https://www.amazon.com/Inktober-All-Year-Long-Indispensable/dp/145217041X

@danielerossi , right, hey do you know the meaning of paradigm?

I realized now this became a sort of paradigm. Anyone please go ahead if you want to write detailed example about it. I have to think on an example.

Edit: So, I finally came with some words, will keep it simple for you.
Social Media to me been this way lately. Anything that people see online, will believe so, and more if is shared 1K times without research further.

For example, a colleague of mine believed that there was a over-counter remedy for the COVID-19 that saw in a shared video through Facebook. I asked why, his response was is because everyone is talking about it. I understood that people were fed up with this misinformation without educate themselves first.
I think this situation is becoming a paradigm to this point.

xin li

I am very frustrated reading Dunn's recent post, and deeply troubled by his last message "Don't be afraid to speak up." I am truely astounished to see how he has created a internet mob to bully another person with an accusation that has no proven evidences, and went to to justify his action by indicating it is somehow a brave thing to do.

I wonder what he needs to see/hear/know/experience in order to gain him some emphathy to see a situation from another person's point of view. Life is not a Superman movie - there is no clear line between good and evil. It is very easy to frame one self as a hero in his/her own version of the story. To be decent human being requires us constently remind ourselves that our version of the story is not the entire truth.

As an ancient chinese saying goes "There are three sides to an argument - your side, my side and the right side".

Julia

@xin-li I was surprised too and share your view

@NessIllustration said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

@Molambo I just looked up that post, wow... It's a bad trip, but the comments take the cake. Someone said: "You have treated this episode in a very calm way and earned much respect." I really have no words.

well, he made a video and thats it from his side. all the other stuff which happened is caused due to the act of the mob which he didnt directly participated with so when you just follow him and agree on the video i can understand that people might feel that way. its a strange situation but it seems overall to calm down a bit so in a week or two it might be just a light nuisance...when not other things happen.

@davidhohn i am not a us citizen so i dont know the laws of your country and i dont feel the need to actually comment on his profile/account. i keep it to report people who spam/harras the inktober or jakes account when he post new stuff but i guess its always good to try to inform people when you know what you talk about.

@lpetiti said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

One interesting observation...just browsing around the comments to Alphonsos post. I dont see anyone criticizing him or bad mouthing him. I'm assuming if people dont agree, then they're just not posting. So...why dont those followers pay the Inktober posts the same courtesy?

yeah. i mean i posted on the video in the comments but thats it. dont feel the need to force my opinion on him now on every social channel he has on every post like some people do now with inktober/jake.

George Broussard

@xin-li said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

I am very frustrated reading Dunn's recent post, and deeply troubled by his last message "Don't be afraid to speak up." I am truely astounished to see how he has created a internet mob to bully another person with an accusation that has no proven evidences, and went to to justify his action by indicating it is somehow a brave thing to do.

Dunn's taken the victim path and presents the morally superior position. This is like catnip to all the artist/activist types that are outraged daily on Twitter about other issues. Most people don't bother doing any research or holding a middle ground position until facts. The clickbait headline of "Jake Parker Plagiarized My Book" is enough.

It's all a perfect storm of outrage. Victim, moral superiority, uneducated maybe young artist types prone to activism and outrage online. Boom!

Will see if Chronicle says anything tomorrow ahead of the weekend. If not, that may be a bad sign, along with the book now being "unavailable" on Amazon pre-orders.

We have about 10 days to see what they do if they are to maintain the original ship date. Every day that passes makes that more unlikely and a delay, cancellation, page changes, or legal action more likely.