Some advice? anyone... anyone lol
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@Carrie
Thanks for the reply Carrie :). It sounds like a website is the way to go. -
I'm going to add more here just because once i get started on this topic I have trouble stopping. To elaborate on what I just said, illustrators are fine talking about technique. We will talk about it all day. Show you how to paint step by step. What blue did I use? no problem, I'll tell you all my paints and brushes and canvas, and computers, and programs.
But the second you ask— How much money did you make on that job?" People look at you like you are crazy. I have seen that look many times. Because I DO ask. And NO ONE will ever answer it. We are doing this as a job, TO MAKE MONEY. So we can MAKE A LIVING. And everyone acts like that isn't a part of it. ITS THE BIGGEST PART OF IT in my opinion. Otherwise I'd just be doing paintings for myself and not spending hours and hours trying to get and maintain my clients. Honestly it's totally bizarre to me that we are saying we all want to do something professionally, but then don't talk about the professional aspects of it at all. Everyone is just in the dark.
My first portfolio that I took to new york consisted of images I liked. That was the only criteria for including them and it couldn't have been more wrong. I didn't think about WHO I was showing the work to. I didn't think about what they were looking for. I just included images I thought were good because my teachers liked them. I look back and shake my head. I was lucky that a few people saw something in a few of the images and pointed me in the right direction. I can only images the countless other people just blindly building portfolios like I did and then praying that it works out.
That tends to be most illustrators plan btw. Just put images out there and cross your fingers that the right person sees you and it all works out. Kind of like fishing. Let me tell you, there is a much more direct and specific route that deals with really understanding that we are in business. We are not just artists making random things. We are part of a bigger industry and the second you understand how you fit into that industry you can begin to control how it all works.
Sorry for the rant. I just feel so bad for the thousands of people who are just struggling so much because we will never talk about the fact that we are doing this to be in business.
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@Lee-White
OMG Lee. Preach on!!!!!! That is how it is for me. I feel lost in this "place." I absolutely want to be able to make money doing this. lol. Feel and become successful. Unfortunately I feel like I am in a labyrinth with only my pencil and paper... I can work all day on my drawings.... but then where do I turn in the maze to head the right direction. I'm looking forward to your class. BIG TIME! -
@Kris-Knight I think Lee really knows what he's talking about. Sounds like this business video is coming out at the perfect time for you!
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@Carrie
Absolutely :). Can't wait
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@Kris-Knight While we are all waiting for Lee's class with huge anticipation! ..some more things to read and watch which you might find inspiring/helpful...
Some tips from Giuseppe Castellano on portfolios:
http://www.gcastellano.com/arttips/theillustratorsportfolioWill Terry's video on How to Set up Your Portfolio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjmKtvMLFHcWill Terry's video Am I Good Enough To Be An Illustrator?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Xd4cFtU2UThere are more out there....but all this will be plenty enough to get you thinking, I reckon!
About the whole 'answer the question yourself' about when you are good enough...it's difficult because being 'good' is a fuzzy area....some people have made great livings with average skills as artists, because they found a good niche (in his video Will cites the artist who founded the Oatmeal as an example of this)…and there are probably amazing artists out there who have the skills but what they paint isn’t something that people want to buy (e.g. too dark/weird/niche etc)
A better set of questions would be 'Are there people out there who would buy my art? Who are these people? What do they want to buy? How do I reach them?'' If you can answer all those then you are ready to go
I’m also going to say that absolutely you can create opportunities for yourself, it’s not just about waiting for someone else to do it for you. You can do so much these days by self-promoting and doing it yourself. I know we usually dream of the traditional way with a publisher - and that’s great, and definitely possible - but it’s not the only way these days. You can do things with a big social media following (look at loish on Facebook, just passed 1 million followers!)..artists like Jake have funded projects through Kickstarter instead of the traditional way…and you can create your own prints and/or products to sell (I do this).
Will talks about this fourth way in this video here, it may not be how you want to go but food for thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_YDztn3vxY
Anyway good luck putting your portfolio together
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You can find some great tips also on oatleyacademy.com There is like 5 hours or maybe more just on portfolio creation. You can also get backstage pass for more business related podcasts called Escape from Art jail. Good thing is you can listen to it while you draw
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@Jiří-Kůs thanks
yeah, I think I listened to the pod cast of the one with Will on there when it came out but I haven't listened to anymore. Haven't listened to the "escape from art jail" one. I will put that on my list thanks. -
@Dulcie
Thanks for taking the time to put down those links. I will definitely give them a listen :). thank you.
Yeah, I agree about the whole "fuzzy" area thing. I guess I am unsure of where I fit in the scheme of things.
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@Lee-White I wonder why schools rarely provide these sort of inside information for illustrators about business especially when students are paying thousands of dollars for the education? Anyways, thanks so much for your words!
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@KelvinBurnett3 it's because we get grouped in with fine art. Many instructors at school are actually too old to be in the field, or they are full time faculty and don't really do illustration as their main income. That sets up a bad situation for students. At the school I went to, most of the illustration staff had stopped doing illustration and were showing in fine art galleries (the worst business model of all time- which I explain in the video).
So, when critiquing students it was just overly self indulgent. If a students wants to do an assignment with mud and play-doh? Sure! go for it. You can do anything. It's mainly just people doing what they want to do cause that's their "style". But this is so short sided in terms of understanding how to make a living.
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I agree with everything said above and the only advice I can do for you if you´re still feeling lost and don´t know where to start to find your niche is:
Keep doing art and keep doing experiments. If you´re stucked, try to study different artists and If you´re in a hurry to make money you can also think about a niche that requires simple illustrations like graphic design. That´s not the path I often see being recommended by masters but It worked for me -
@Lee-White's advice is straight-forward but so on the money. I remember having a consult with him and we were going over my portfolio and he said something along the lines of "Ok, I'm an art director, you've done the work, you have my interest now why should I hire you over this guy over here who's work is as good if not and most likely better?"
I was a bit tongued tied and said something really generic.
Lee basically said you have to learn to sell yourself as a professional artist!
What I think he meant was you have to know yourself, your work and your market audience well enough to sell the whole package...meaning you as a business. You have to know your strengths, weakness and how to sell yourself as an artist AND professional business person all in one.
So you can bet I'll be thinking of that the next time I speak with someone about a book.
This is why in addition to money matters his class is so important! There are a lot of things I'm sure most of us are not thinking about enough.
@Kris-Knight Keep working hard and pushing yourself and your skills and listen and apply what Lee and Will and Jake are saying and I can almost guarantee you'll be making jumps creatively every step of the way.
This is one of my first pieces from about 3 years ago (You are light years ahead of this by the way) I had no understanding of anatomy etc etc etc but I worked hard, spent endless nights after my kids went to bed... drawing, painting, learning. I made sure to surround myself with people who were better, WAY better. I listened and applied!! SVS was a game changer and now I have interest in a book I wrote and illustrated from two publishers, plus have a contract with McGraw-Hill. I have Lee, Will and Jake to thank! I hope that helps and encourages you to keep going!!
Here is my new work www.charlieeveryan.com
