Book project (June 17th updates!)

mattramsey · 19 May 2016, 13:46

@NoWayMe I like it. This guy lives in a tree if I'm getting that right? If so maybe the stove fan could be brick or river rock? And maybe the light fixture could be changed to something that would fit that environment more.

But if you don't make any changes it's still a great piece--nice job on the stairs!

NoWayMe · 19 May 2016, 15:54

@mattramsey and @smceccarelli Thank you so much for helping! These pictures of snow white are really helpful and Matt's ideas are great! I already started to make some changes and I think it will look a lot better I will post updates tonight!

NoWayMe · 20 May 2016, 02:40

Here it is, more whimsical (I hope!)

Thank you very much @smceccarelli and @mattramsey for the tips! I think it looks a lot better. I will refine it more, and add details, but I like the direction it's taking!

If anyone else has comments, please go ahead!

smceccarelli · 20 May 2016, 06:29

Definitely, the environment has a lot more personality now!

evilrobot · 20 May 2016, 15:27

Fantastic work so far. Love the old time stove and also how you have the room rounded. Really nice.

Dulcie · 20 May 2016, 18:30

I think it's looking really nice - spacious but homely all at once.. it's quite tricky to get that feeling of character into inanimate objects but you've done it...it's going to be great

Christine Garner · 21 May 2016, 16:15

Well done getting the project, I love the designs on this so far.

NoWayMe · 22 May 2016, 13:10

Thank you @smceccarelli , @evilrobot @Dulcie @Christine-Garner ! I'll continue to post updates!

NoWayMe · 18 Jun 2016, 02:59

Hello again!

I wanted to share updates of the progress on my book with you guys! I know it's moving slowly, but I in the process of moving, starting a new job and studying for my final exam at the same time! Please let me know if you have any advices/comments

Thanks a lot!

First my updated "template". As I said in my other topic, I will change either the front cover or page 10-11 to not have the same image twice, I am just not sure which one yet!

On the next one, the banana-eating and the bottom kiwi-eating Ella are not finished.

Thanks for helping!!

Chip Valecek · 18 Jun 2016, 14:45

Its looking great, I can tell you are putting in a lot of work. I would watch pages 10 and 11 where the gutter will cut the nose right done the middle.

NoWayMe · 19 Jun 2016, 03:44

I made this new illustration for page 10-11 (still a work in progress)! I wanted to keep the close-up view of Ella, because it goes well with the text, but I change it so it is different from the cover AND I made sure no important features of the face is in the $&%#* gutter.

Any thoughts? Is it too similar to the cover ?

Thanks!!

Kevin Longueil · 19 Jun 2016, 04:20

@NoWayMe This very cool Noemie! what jumped out at me on this was the shadows above the eyes. I think it might be worth looking at to go warmer there - i am unsure of myself here but i think so - i tried it with two quick swipes with a low opacity brush in Procreate and i think it looks nice with warmer shadows - The warmth under the nose is what made me think of this - anyways - really looking forward to seeing your book!!

Dulcie · 20 Jun 2016, 21:49

It's looking fantastic @NoWayMe! As @Chip-Valecek said, it definitely shows that you're putting the work in and your sketches/WIP all look great. Your Ella really does love fruits!! So many scenes of her enjoying eating

I also agree with Chip about the gutter on pages 10/11, I can see how your new version is trying to avoid this, but I wonder if there is another solution that doesn't look so much like the cover...

With the strawberry section, correct me if I'm wrong (as I can't quite read the text) but story-wise it looks like you essentially have 4 pages of this - on page 9 she is about to eat the strawberries, then 10-11 she is eating a strawberry, and the next page eating more strawberries...so page 12 is kinda repeating pages 10 and 11. The other thing I wonder about, is that since it is Ella and the Fruits, the fruits must be important story-wise but we haven't had any super close-ups of them. So I wonder if on 10-11 you could have a super close up of her holding the strawberry, a beautiful, glistening, perfect strawberry...and she is holding it up so the strawberry is in the foreground, it is so tempting - too tempting!...then on page 12 she is munching the whole lot

Did you ever read the Big Hungry Bear and the Red Ripe Strawberry? That one has some lovely pictures of this massive juicy strawberry that the mouse so badly wants to keep for himself..here's a spread from it

Anyway just thoughts (feel free to ignore!) and looking forward to next instalment

NoWayMe · 21 Jun 2016, 11:48

@Dulcie Thank you for the comment! Very good idea! I will seriously think about changing it, I just need to make sure I have enough time... I really got carried away with this book and already spent way more time than I was planning on it! But at least I am learning a lot in the process, so it is probably worth it!

This is my final version of current p10-11 @Kevin-Longueil you were right for the shadows, I hope it looks better now!

MOO · 21 Jun 2016, 20:30

@NoWayMe I love the composition. The only thing is, someone said it was supposed to be inside a tree? It seems so big to be the inside of a tree. It might look a bit smaller and cozily confined. Less modern and more "naturey'''....if that makes any sense. Love it though! Love it!

smceccarelli · 21 Jun 2016, 20:37

This is looking really nice - I particularly like the spot illustrations and how you alternate spot and full page. The rendering on the finished illustrations look nice, though I agree with the gutter problem on page 10-11. The story seems really simple, which makes for a challenging illustration task, which I think you have solved with a charming character design. I guess you do not want to spend more time on this, but I am just wondering if there is a way to show more variability in the viewpoints - all illustration seem to be at eye level.

NoWayMe · 22 Jun 2016, 16:25

@smceccarelli @Marsha-Kay-Ottum-Owen Thanks for the comments! @smceccarelli you are right, the story is REALLY simple, and it IS a challenge!!! The book will be in A3 format, so there is a LOT of illustrations and very few words....

I think I will have to rework p10-11 again... I thought the gutter problem would be fixed with this new version, but everyone seems to agree it will still be a problem. However, does it change something that the format will be huge ? because less of the image will be loss in the gutter... proportionally...

You are also right about the view points! Other than p9 (view from above) and p6 (a low POV) they are all at eye level... I will look at some of the rough sketches to see what I can do!

I just hope that some of the pages will be of portfolio quality, so that the time I have invested in this is worth it! (but anyway I am learning a lot so it is probably worth it)

Thank you all for helping, your comments are all very helpful!

NoWayMe · 24 Jun 2016, 03:09

I tried @Dulcie 's idea for my spread P10-11............ and I really like it!!! (thanks Dulcie!) Plus, it takes care of the evil gutter!

Any thoughts ? Of course it is still very rough, but I wanted to have you guys opinion on it before pushing it further.

Thanks!

smceccarelli · 24 Jun 2016, 06:56

Definitely works with the gutter now! I know it is just.a sketch, but her expression looks somewhat detached - I think you can give her a more ecstatic/enthusiastic expression. Maybe it is also her gaze direction - she does not seem to be looking at the strawberry, but somewhere behind it! One thing that occurs often in animation characters is a slight (or moderate) convergence of the pupils when they are looking at something close. It is not what happens in reality, but it makes drawings and expressions look better!

Dulcie · 24 Jun 2016, 19:20

Ah glad you found the idea useful @NoWayMe! It definitely works much better with the gutter.

One thing that bothers me slightly is that because her hands are holding the strawberry like that, it looks like the strawberry is the size of a melon. (whereas on page 12 they look like normal-sized strawberries). I wonder if a way to fix that, would be for the strawberry to have a little stalk attached coming from the leaves, and she is holding that stalk between finger and thumb..so she is dangling the strawberry in front of herself...which means her fingers could be huge/in proportion to a strawberry, but a part of her hand could be cropped off the top of the page so it wouldn't intrude too much. Again just an idea though, looking forward to the next version!