Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations

NessIllustration · 4 Sept 2020, 00:46

@djlambson All of you are plagiarists apparently haha!

4 Sept 2020, 01:11

@lpetiti yeah, i really wonder when the innocent till proven guilty thing changed. based on the last insta post from alphonso the thing will not be done in a shot amount of time. i really wonder how this will end, book itself is still listed on amazon.

djlambson · 4 Sept 2020, 01:14

@NessIllustration We are!

lpetiti · 4 Sept 2020, 02:02

@Molambo it's hard not to be skeptical of him, because I just saw that post and no where does it seem like he acknowledges that 1)its for the courts to decide and LAWYERS and 2)he has contributed to a lot of the "haters" online by giving them a platform to speak up without any of us knowing the full story. I'm not just blindly following Jake either, I dont think any of us are. If, for some unknown reason, it ended up being that he did plagiarize, then he would need to be held accountable, as all artists would. Problem is...I dont think he did so he shouldnt be held accountable until such time (however unlikely) its determined he did. And if he didnt...then hes having to deal with other peoples rash decisions to accuse without knowing all of the facts.

One interesting observation...just browsing around the comments to Alphonsos post. I dont see anyone criticizing him or bad mouthing him. I'm assuming if people dont agree, then they're just not posting. So...why dont those followers pay the Inktober posts the same courtesy?

NessIllustration · 4 Sept 2020, 02:09

@Molambo I just looked up that post, wow... It's a bad trip, but the comments take the cake. Someone said: "You have treated this episode in a very calm way and earned much respect." I really have no words.

K.Flagg · 4 Sept 2020, 03:22

Just read Alphonso's post....wow....just wow.

George Broussard · 4 Sept 2020, 04:24

@lpetiti said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

One interesting observation...just browsing around the comments to Alphonsos post. I dont see anyone criticizing him or bad mouthing him. I'm assuming if people dont agree, then they're just not posting. So...why dont those followers pay the Inktober posts the same courtesy?

You have to click to see recent comments, vs top comments. The top comments are clearly the ones ppl click like on and bubble and are skewed toward Dunn. There are a fair number of posts calling Dunn out but they are never seen because Top Comments is the default.

davidhohn · 4 Sept 2020, 15:28

So I imagine the post being referred to by @NessIllustration and @Molambo is Dunn's recent IG post.
As some SVS members may go over and read it I feel compelled to make the same correction here that I did on his post:

POOR MANS COPYRIGHT is a myth. Do not do this. Please research copyright law. It is not hard, and if you are a creative it is the basis of your job.

https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html

I love copyright. The concept of it, teaching it, using it in my job. There's nothing more frustrating than seeing 25,000 people getting fed misinformation about it.

Edit: So he posted the same thing to his YouTube channel. Now there's 600K people "learning" this stuff. . . . sigh. . . .

Norman Morana · 4 Sept 2020, 05:02

@George-Broussard I think they’re referring to Dunn’s new post on Instagram. Unless you are too? I’m not sure if you can arrange comments on Instagram. I’ve been looking at that new post off and on. I haven’t seen a single negative comment on there either. Guessing people that can see that the book is most likely authentic are also more polite.

Venting side notes:

This whole ordeal is incredibly frustrating to see. One comment on Jake’s recent post, shows that someone is sending out misinformation that if you tag a post with Inktober, Jake owns it. Silly. Some people don’t get that it’s only the Inktober logo you can’t freely use, which makes sense. I work with logos in my day job and you can’t just go throwing those around willy-nilly. And then to assume someone who’s been teaching and helping people for years isn’t capable of writing their own book. Also I worry about the implications this could have for anyone wanting to teach in the future.

I haven’t been able to find the book on amazon by searching but I can always still see It when I go to my preorder. It’s always shown the price but today instead of the dollar amount it reads “currently unavailable” hoping thats not a sign of bad news or a huge delay.

4 Sept 2020, 05:55

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xin li · 4 Sept 2020, 08:15

I am very frustrated reading Dunn's recent post, and deeply troubled by his last message "Don't be afraid to speak up." I am truely astounished to see how he has created a internet mob to bully another person with an accusation that has no proven evidences, and went to to justify his action by indicating it is somehow a brave thing to do.

I wonder what he needs to see/hear/know/experience in order to gain him some emphathy to see a situation from another person's point of view. Life is not a Superman movie - there is no clear line between good and evil. It is very easy to frame one self as a hero in his/her own version of the story. To be decent human being requires us constently remind ourselves that our version of the story is not the entire truth.

As an ancient chinese saying goes "There are three sides to an argument - your side, my side and the right side".

Julia · 4 Sept 2020, 08:16

@xin-li I was surprised too and share your view

4 Sept 2020, 08:20

@NessIllustration said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

@Molambo I just looked up that post, wow... It's a bad trip, but the comments take the cake. Someone said: "You have treated this episode in a very calm way and earned much respect." I really have no words.

well, he made a video and thats it from his side. all the other stuff which happened is caused due to the act of the mob which he didnt directly participated with so when you just follow him and agree on the video i can understand that people might feel that way. its a strange situation but it seems overall to calm down a bit so in a week or two it might be just a light nuisance...when not other things happen.

@davidhohn i am not a us citizen so i dont know the laws of your country and i dont feel the need to actually comment on his profile/account. i keep it to report people who spam/harras the inktober or jakes account when he post new stuff but i guess its always good to try to inform people when you know what you talk about.

@lpetiti said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

One interesting observation...just browsing around the comments to Alphonsos post. I dont see anyone criticizing him or bad mouthing him. I'm assuming if people dont agree, then they're just not posting. So...why dont those followers pay the Inktober posts the same courtesy?

yeah. i mean i posted on the video in the comments but thats it. dont feel the need to force my opinion on him now on every social channel he has on every post like some people do now with inktober/jake.

George Broussard · 4 Sept 2020, 08:23

@xin-li said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

I am very frustrated reading Dunn's recent post, and deeply troubled by his last message "Don't be afraid to speak up." I am truely astounished to see how he has created a internet mob to bully another person with an accusation that has no proven evidences, and went to to justify his action by indicating it is somehow a brave thing to do.

Dunn's taken the victim path and presents the morally superior position. This is like catnip to all the artist/activist types that are outraged daily on Twitter about other issues. Most people don't bother doing any research or holding a middle ground position until facts. The clickbait headline of "Jake Parker Plagiarized My Book" is enough.

It's all a perfect storm of outrage. Victim, moral superiority, uneducated maybe young artist types prone to activism and outrage online. Boom!

Will see if Chronicle says anything tomorrow ahead of the weekend. If not, that may be a bad sign, along with the book now being "unavailable" on Amazon pre-orders.

We have about 10 days to see what they do if they are to maintain the original ship date. Every day that passes makes that more unlikely and a delay, cancellation, page changes, or legal action more likely.

Nyrryl Cadiz · 4 Sept 2020, 08:35

@lpetiti they let you know because they want to hurt you, make you feel bad instead of just unfollowing you discreetly. Well, joke’s on them right?

LauraA · 4 Sept 2020, 08:43

I have been watching this thread but waited to comment, because 1) I wanted to be very calm and 2) I didn't think I had anything new to say. Now I do.

I am an American who has lived outside my own country for almost ten years now. I can't quite tell if I am the one who has changed, or whether it's my country, but I'm seeing a tendency across the spectrum to witch hunts, conspiracy theories, and vigilante justice.* These are all dangerous roads, not only for the people they call out, but also for the people who participate in them. History is full of examples. I also see people who are trying to be calm and think through the issues, but our current way of judging a matter doesn't give them much credit. It's very hard in this kind of atmosphere not to keep upping the ante. I hope we learn quickly from our mistakes and move on to methods that allow for more open dialogue.

On a lighter note, I am considering participating in Inktober for the first time ever this year. It really has nothing to do with the current controversy. I didn't participate for years because I too had the mistaken notion that Inktober had to be done in traditional, black ink, and I am neither primarily a traditional artist nor an inker. Also I was afraid of not being able to finish. But mulling around on Instagram this summer, I discovered some lovely Inktober submissions, done in less traditional ways, that really inspired me, and also I'm in the mood to produce work via prompts. So, we'll see...

@danielerossi Haha! I too have an illustration on my Instagram of a boy with his hands (and tongue!) pressed up against a bakery window, shown from inside. It's based on something that made me laugh in real life. No fish, but yes, some scenes are just too classic not to try at least once!

*(I know that this certainly isn't the first time this has happened in US history, and I know some of the frustrating reasons behind the current trend that have to do with people not being heard via traditional means, but I have to limit the scope of this comment.)

danielerossi · 4 Sept 2020, 12:38

@LauraA I say we post a bunch of our similar illustrations on Alphonso’s post and do a mock “you plagiarized me!”, “no, you plagiarized me!”, “no! You all plagiarized me!”, “I’m going to cancel you all for plagiarizing me!”. But we’re more mature than that. Would be funny though

Nyrryl Cadiz · 4 Sept 2020, 13:42

@danielerossi \ this definitely crossed my mind. I’m petty

Kristin Wauson · 4 Sept 2020, 13:53

@Lee-White or anybody, do we know how to preorder Jake’s book now that the direct link to it in Amazon says it’s currently unavailable? I have already preordered it, but some friends are still looking to show support if there is still a way to order it.

4 Sept 2020, 14:56

@Kristin-Wauson When Lee posted the link above I was still able to purchase it. Now you can put in your email to get notified when it's available again. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/145217041X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It really frustrated me to see the effects of this on the amazon rankings; Jake's book went from no. 1 in the inking category to no. 1 in a category called 'creativity' with more general books that didn't relate. So the search was messed up and I have a feeling Amazon goes by trends more than anything and ended up helping promote Alphonso's book in that way. This is why I normally buy stuff anywhere but amazon if I can help it, because they have these ways of changing my search and changing prices and mostly it benefits them greatly and gets me frustrated. I'm sure Chronicle books will be smart about all of it and not even put out the book if it won't make the money they were aiming for.

I am really not familiar with Alphonso's career. Is he an artist rather than an illustrator? Is this an artist vs. illustrator thing? Does a fine artist have different views about copyright? Or is he mostly earning money as an educator? No one working in a professional capacity with others in illustration or design or art would still believe in poor man's copyright. Is Alphonso making a living from his books and youtube channel, and otherwise not working with anyone? Jake's skills seem much broader to me because I'm more familiar with his work, so if anyone can summarize Alphonso's career maybe that would help me.