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    • davidhohn
      davidhohn SVS Instructor Pro @NessIllustration last edited by davidhohn

      @NessIllustration said in Question about contract & copyright:

      I sold her a non-exclusive license to sell up to 1000 copies worldwide

      This is going to seem like I'm nit-picking your message, and I'm really not trying to. You alway offer great advice and knowledge.

      Okay that said, because these board about about education I want to make sure information is clear. It's important to know the difference between the term "sold" or "sell" and "license". The two terms mean significantly different things in a contract.

      In short "sell" means the client "owns". While "license" means the client "rents"

      https://www.clariclegal.co.uk/the-difference-between-licensing-and-selling/

      Ignoring the difference between these terms may allow a client think you mean something different than you intended in a contract. Should any kind of legal institution get involved they will side with the industry standard meaning.

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      • NessIllustration
        NessIllustration Pro @davidhohn last edited by NessIllustration

        @davidhohn I think this may be an example of my less than perfect grasp on the English language! I don't always grasp nuances - I think of anything I get money for as something I "sold", but you are right this is better classified as "rent". Back in the day when I rented DVDs from the video rentals, I would have said I bought the DVD for 3 days hahaha... In my native language this makes sense, I swear!

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        • davidhohn
          davidhohn SVS Instructor Pro @NessIllustration last edited by

          @NessIllustration Would never have guessed that english was a second language. No worries! My reply was as much for all the people who read your posts as it was for you.

          And BTW, I only know this because I used to read a board where an IP attorney was constantly reminding illustrators that the difference between these terms was super important!

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          • NessIllustration
            NessIllustration Pro @davidhohn last edited by

            @davidhohn It's really good that you let me know! I honestly thought licensing (aka renting) and the phrase "selling a license" were the same thing. I thought of it as selling a "permission" so to speak and 100% thought this was good English. Thanks for interjecting, I need to know this! I don't want a misunderstanding with a client over a word difference like this!

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            • paran
              paran @LauraA last edited by

              @LauraA Thank you so much for your kind advice, Laura 😊 Yes, their budget is not so big and I asked for a royalty for the sales in Germany as well as foreign rights. I heard it is common that you get a certain percentage of royalty as a picture book illustrator in Germany. Well, it's a compromise for me, but I think it's not too bad.

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              • paran
                paran @NessIllustration last edited by

                @NessIllustration Yes, it is an ambitious project, indeed! Unfortunately their budget is below the average that you mentioned..so additionally I asked for a royalty. I will be thinking about this job..! Thank you for your kind help!

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                • xin li
                  xin li last edited by

                  @paran I illustrated my first book with a Norwegian publisher last year (I live in Norway). The advance is really low (40 pages PB for about 2500 USD). To be honest, I have no clue what rights I have signed off. I will have to dig out the contract to check. I know I can re-sell illustrations I did for the book as art prints.

                  It does have a 7% royalty (which is a bit higher than what US and UK publishers offer, so far I was offered 5% with the US and UK publishers).

                  In many European countries, Norway included, picture book production depend on state support and cultural grants, due to the small market. In Norway, selling 1500 copies of a PB book is considered a fairly good sales number.

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                  • davidhohn
                    davidhohn SVS Instructor Pro @xin li last edited by davidhohn

                    I was just doing a little math. Do you know what the cover price for the book will be?

                    And if you don't know specifically, then what is the cover price for a typical 32 page picture book in Norway?

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                    • xin li
                      xin li @davidhohn last edited by

                      @davidhohn
                      I have no clue about what the cover price for a typical 32 pages of PB in Norway.
                      What is a cover price for a book exactly? A quick google search does not give me a satsfactory answer?
                      The retail price of the book I did is around 15usd-20usd.

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                      • davidhohn
                        davidhohn SVS Instructor Pro @xin li last edited by

                        @xin-li Sorry for the confusing terms.
                        By "cover price" I meant "the price on the cover of the book", also called the "retail price".

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                        • paran
                          paran @xin li last edited by

                          @xin-li I'm sorry for the late reply and thank you for your valuable information!
                          Btw I really love your art style. It's so beautiful 😊 😍

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