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    • smceccarelli
      smceccarelli Pro SVS OG @DanetteDraws last edited by

      @DanetteDraws Thank you! This is very useful - especially the question: what am I looking for....
      I think what I would like is a course that is the real-life equivalent of Ursula Le Guin's "Steering the Craft" coupled with a critique group. I attended an adult writing workshop once that was like that: short and to-the-point instructional units, with lots of examples, followed by writing exercises, followed by critique on the exercises - very fast paced and with a discovery at every turn (like with illustration, you only really understand any aspect of writing if you try to use it in a.writing piece yourself). I would love to do and critique writing exercises targeted for children's writing, so that I can force myself through the volume of work needed to become good at anything - and with some form of accountability.
      I have joined online critique groups, but a critique every 4 to 6 weeks is a glacial time...especially if you need to critique others to be able to submit yours. It may work for "the opus magnum" one is working on, but not for writing exercises.
      I guess I am describing art school, but for writing. Maybe you only get this type of "pushy" learning environment in a school setting...
      I would love to exchange PB manuscripts with any of the SVS-lers. My current one makes little sense, because I am working on it with my agent (and she has the last and final word anyhow), but I have an idea for a wordless PB that I would love to discuss with writer/illustrators. Would you be interested in a swap?

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      • MOO
        MOO SVS OG @DanetteDraws last edited by

        @DanetteDraws I was in a critique group but it onluy met about 3 times with 4 people and the only time everyone showed up was the first night. I have sent some things to one of the ladies on google docs and she me but, I just requested to join an online scbwi group. Haven't heard anything. Maybe we could create one here?

        Marsha Ottum Owen

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        • DanetteDraws
          DanetteDraws @smceccarelli last edited by

          @smceccarelli A course like what you describe would be wonderful - I agree, putting into practice through exercises and getting those critiqued would be an excellent way to get better at the craft of writing. Maybe someone will chime in with a suggestion for something like this - if so, I'd be definitely interested myself!

          In the meanwhile, I'd love to swap manuscripts (or, whatever format your wordless story will be crafted as) with you, and you too @Marsha-Kay-Ottum-Owen. Marsha - I know what you're saying about lack of accountability - or, commitment to begin with - with critique partners - I've had that before too! It's super frustrating. If someone goes to the effort of critiquing a partner's work, that partner should respect their own promise and that person's time by returning the favour and putting in an honest effort to boot. We're professionals though so that won't be us 😉

          https://danettebyatt.com
          Twitter @DanetteDraws
          Instagram @DanetteDraws

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          • NoWayMe
            NoWayMe last edited by

            Hi @smceccarelli ! Maybe someone mentioned it already, but have you listened to the writing picture book class that SVSlearn offers ? It is quite good!

            Thanks for the other ressources, I will check them out!

            @DanetteDraws Sign me in if you do such a group! Even if none of us are professional writers, I fell we could still learn from each others!

            noemiegionetlandry.squarespace.com
            noemie_illustration on Instagram

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            • smceccarelli
              smceccarelli Pro SVS OG @NoWayMe last edited by

              @NoWayMe I have, thank you! I also have Ann Whitford's book - it's a book I reference often. Sometimes I think it says all that needs to be said...

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              • smceccarelli
                smceccarelli Pro SVS OG @DanetteDraws last edited by

                @DanetteDraws, @Marsha-Kay-Ottum-Owen Yes, would love to swap. At the moment my wordless book is just a page-by-page description of what the illustrations will be. Even that is not quite done, but I will finish it and get ready to share.
                Looking forward to critiquing yours!
                My e-mail address is smceccarelli@mac.com

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                • DanetteDraws
                  DanetteDraws last edited by

                  @smceccarelli @Marsha-Kay-Ottum-Owen @NoWayMe - do you all have Facebook? I generally just use Facebook for private/personal use, but what I could do is create a private group (one where you can only join by invite) so that we can talk on there as if it were a forum, and also share documents with one another in a centralized place. Let me know your thoughts on that! If you think it's a good idea, I can create it and invite you guys to join the group. Just let me know what your name is on Facebook so that I can find you. 🙂

                  https://danettebyatt.com
                  Twitter @DanetteDraws
                  Instagram @DanetteDraws

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                  • NoWayMe
                    NoWayMe @DanetteDraws last edited by

                    @DanetteDraws Great plan! My name is Noemie Gionet Landry on facebook 🙂

                    noemiegionetlandry.squarespace.com
                    noemie_illustration on Instagram

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                    • smceccarelli
                      smceccarelli Pro SVS OG @DanetteDraws last edited by

                      @DanetteDraws Simona Ceccarelli is my Facebook name. With the same avatar pic I use here!

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                      • DanetteDraws
                        DanetteDraws @smceccarelli last edited by

                        @smceccarelli @NoWayMe Okay, I set up the Facebook group! I actually had to invite you by email (it wouldn't let me look up anyone by name unless they were on my friend's list already) - but luckily both your email addresses were easy to find on your websites 🙂

                        Once you join I'll make you admins too. And @Marsha-Kay-Ottum-Owen let me know if you're still interested and what your email address is so I can invite you too.

                        https://danettebyatt.com
                        Twitter @DanetteDraws
                        Instagram @DanetteDraws

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                        • Dulcie
                          Dulcie SVS OG last edited by

                          This is a great idea! My current picture book idea is still a WIP, and I'm not quite ready with it yet...but would like to share it when ready, and in the meantime I'd love to help critique/work through everyone else's work...(what's not to like about crafting a good story?). I am Dulcie Mascord on Facebook, and dulciemascord [at] gmail.com via email 🙂

                          www.dulciemascord.com
                          https://www.instagram.com/dulciemascord
                          https://twitter.com/dulciemascord
                          https://www.facebook.com/dulciemascord

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                          • DanetteDraws
                            DanetteDraws @Dulcie last edited by

                            @Dulcie awesome, would be great to have you! I sent you an invite to the group 🙂

                            https://danettebyatt.com
                            Twitter @DanetteDraws
                            Instagram @DanetteDraws

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                            • Dulcie
                              Dulcie SVS OG last edited by

                              @DanetteDraws Thanks for inviting me! I tried the link on the email and unfortunately got the message 'Sorry, this content isn't available right now. The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in.'

                              Maybe I don't have permission to see the page yet, or something?

                              www.dulciemascord.com
                              https://www.instagram.com/dulciemascord
                              https://twitter.com/dulciemascord
                              https://www.facebook.com/dulciemascord

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                              • DanetteDraws
                                DanetteDraws @Dulcie last edited by

                                @Dulcie Oh no! I don't know what's up with that. It should work. I just sent you another 'reminder' email. Maybe the link in the new email will work?

                                https://danettebyatt.com
                                Twitter @DanetteDraws
                                Instagram @DanetteDraws

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                                • Dulcie
                                  Dulcie SVS OG last edited by Dulcie

                                  Hmm, that is odd, the new link is just the same. I have an idea - you could try a different email, {edited out} [at] hotmail.com ...no idea if that will work, but worth a try.

                                  www.dulciemascord.com
                                  https://www.instagram.com/dulciemascord
                                  https://twitter.com/dulciemascord
                                  https://www.facebook.com/dulciemascord

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                                  • DanetteDraws
                                    DanetteDraws @Dulcie last edited by

                                    @Dulcie Okay, sent! Which email do you use for your own Facebook profile? I wonder if the email might already need to be connected to a profile...

                                    https://danettebyatt.com
                                    Twitter @DanetteDraws
                                    Instagram @DanetteDraws

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                                    • Dulcie
                                      Dulcie SVS OG last edited by

                                      Hooray, it worked this time! 🙂 The hotmail one is connected to my Facebook profile, so that must have been the reason 🙂

                                      www.dulciemascord.com
                                      https://www.instagram.com/dulciemascord
                                      https://twitter.com/dulciemascord
                                      https://www.facebook.com/dulciemascord

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                                      • DanetteDraws
                                        DanetteDraws @Dulcie last edited by

                                        @Dulcie yay!

                                        https://danettebyatt.com
                                        Twitter @DanetteDraws
                                        Instagram @DanetteDraws

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                                        • MOO
                                          MOO SVS OG @DanetteDraws last edited by

                                          @DanetteDraws Yes, I'm interested. I just saw this. My e-mail is marsha@owen.sj.ca.us. Thanks!

                                          Marsha Ottum Owen

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                                          • DanetteDraws
                                            DanetteDraws @MOO last edited by

                                            @Marsha-Kay-Ottum-Owen awesome! I just sent you the invite 🙂

                                            https://danettebyatt.com
                                            Twitter @DanetteDraws
                                            Instagram @DanetteDraws

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