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    • Johanna Kim
      Johanna Kim SVS OG last edited by

      Hi All,

      Can anyone recommend a good reference, (online preferably, e-book is okay), for determining standard buy-out fees or rates for artwork and stories? Or is this just a personal thing?

      Is it the Pricing and Ethical Guidelines book by the Graphic Arts Guild? Here's a link to the book: [https://graphicartistsguild.org//product/the-graphic-artists-guild-handbook-pricing-ethical-guidelines/](link url)

      Thanks in advance for any info.

      Best,
      Johanna

      http://www.johannakim.com
      http://instagram.com/johannahkim/

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      • Johanna Kim
        Johanna Kim SVS OG last edited by

        Update: I went ahead and purchased a digital version of the book and I think it has the info I need.

        http://www.johannakim.com
        http://instagram.com/johannahkim/

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        • Phil Cullen
          Phil Cullen last edited by

          I haven't read the 'Pricing and Ethical Guidelines' book.

          By 'buy-out fee' do you mean when the client wants to buy all the rights to artwork or story?

          www.instagram.com/phillip.cullen/
          www.facebook.com/phillipcullenillustration/

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          • Johanna Kim
            Johanna Kim SVS OG @Phil Cullen last edited by Johanna Kim

            @Phil-Cullen Thanks for your question, Phil. Yes, I'm bidding for a project where the client prefers to own the final assets and copyright outright. They're an established well-respected client and I'd love to work with them, but I'm not comfortable with this arrangement, so I've been figuring out a nice and reasonable way to explain my rationale of why I prefer to retain the copyright and simply lease the artwork to them for their specific use. I think I should include a buy-out fee in my response, as well, letting them know how much it would cost for them to own the copyright in full. BUT doing so may mean jeopardizing my chances for getting the job.

            http://www.johannakim.com
            http://instagram.com/johannahkim/

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            • Phil Cullen
              Phil Cullen last edited by

              I can see why you would be uncomfortable with that arrangement.

              I watched the licensing videos on SVS and there is great info there with regard licensing and the potential worth of a piece of art, licensing art for a specific period of time for example.

              The tricky thing with what you're faced with is, how much will your work be worth to the client? How big is the client (they most likely have a specific budget in mind if they're professional) and what will your work be used for etc. You could ask them out right what their budget is.

              I've heard most artists are very reluctant to give all rights away, but everyone has a price they would be happy with. Me if i'm estimating for a job, I do a rough daily rate and add 25% on top of that and estimate days, the 25% on top is because I always underestimate the time. But if I were to do an all out rights buy out that daily rate would be far higher.

              Maybe you could find a similar artist who has done a similar job and sold rights.

              Do you mind me asking what type of Job it is?

              www.instagram.com/phillip.cullen/
              www.facebook.com/phillipcullenillustration/

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              • Johanna Kim
                Johanna Kim SVS OG @Phil Cullen last edited by

                @Phil-Cullen Thanks for sharing your thoughts and what you do in your business, which sounds very smart. I think I watched that SVS video a while back, but should probably revisit it. I'd like to share more about the project but it's probably prudent if I wait until the bidding process is done. This is an instance where I wish I had a savvy negotiating agent.

                http://www.johannakim.com
                http://instagram.com/johannahkim/

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                • Phil Cullen
                  Phil Cullen @Johanna Kim last edited by

                  @Johanna-Kim Best of luck

                  www.instagram.com/phillip.cullen/
                  www.facebook.com/phillipcullenillustration/

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