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    • CaseyKinseyArt
      CaseyKinseyArt last edited by

      I think there's nothing wrong with following your gut and using your best discernment, especially on these types of matters. I will say, it seems like their website is clunky and poorly designed (and full of typos) but they also claim to have Pete The Cat creators, Kimberly and James Dean, under their belt. It seems like a real toss-up for sure. I have no doubt you'll make the right choice.

      CK•XXII

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      • NessIllustration
        NessIllustration Pro @Melanie Ortins last edited by

        @Melanie-Ortins I agree their website looks way outdated and not the best to navigate. However, it's very likely that this agency does not use their website as their main method of getting work for their artists. They probably have a network of clients and publishers who go to them, attend events, print books and pamphlets featuring their artists' work to send out, have an email newsletter, etc. So while the website grievance is certainly to take into consideration, if I were you I would ask them follow up questions including "What are the methods you use to promote your illustrators' work?" to get a better picture of how they operate before you make your decision. No matter what you decide, congrats on being approached by an agent, that's no small feat so do celebrate it! 😃

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        • Melanie Ortins
          Melanie Ortins last edited by

          @CaseyKinseyArt @NessIllustration Thanks!

          I know that the website is probably not their main way to get work, but a bad website in 2020 is still a red flag for me, because it's not hard to set up a good one. That being said, I think you're right that it doesn't hurt to follow up and ask additional questions. Any other questions you think I should ask? I'm still new at agent-y stuff haha

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          • braden H
            braden H @Melanie Ortins last edited by

            @Melanie-Ortins I had the same problem when i was looking for agents. If they had a website like this I just moved on. If I were a client I'd be pretty turned off by the presentation (at least for the illustrators).

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            • Melanie Ortins
              Melanie Ortins @braden H last edited by

              @Braden-Hallett I agree and that's why I'm very hesitant...

              At the same time, I'm working full time now and haven't had much opportunity to get my own freelance jobs so if this brings in even a few contracts, it's better than nothing. And if the experience doesn't work out, I assume that I should be able to leave the agency and hopefully find another one

              If I saw this website, I wouldn't apply to this agency. But since they reached out to me and I've been hoping to find representation for a while, I feel weird about saying no without even following up.

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              • NessIllustration
                NessIllustration Pro @Melanie Ortins last edited by NessIllustration

                @Melanie-Ortins A website is certainly very important, in fact my agency Astound Us has what I thought is a pretty good website yet they're currently spending 120k to give it a complete revamp. It's not overreacting to be turned off by an outdated website. On the other hand, if you currently work full-time in another field and haven't had many freelance contracts, this could be a good opportunity to dip your toes in and get a bit of experience, even if a partnership with this agency doesn't last a lifetime. I myself left my first agent after about 8 months to sign with my current agent.

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                • braden H
                  braden H @Melanie Ortins last edited by

                  @Melanie-Ortins said in Agency Advice (East West Literary):

                  But since they reached out to me

                  Ahhhhh. That changes things a bit. I'd at the very least hear them out and see what kind of contract they offer you. You can always say 'no' even after seeing the contract terms.

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                  • Melanie Ortins
                    Melanie Ortins last edited by

                    I emailed a couple of artists currently represented by that agent to hear their thoughts. And I'm going to come up with some questions that I want to follow up with and see how it goes

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                    • NessIllustration
                      NessIllustration Pro @Melanie Ortins last edited by

                      @Melanie-Ortins Braden brings a good point also: that since they reached out to you, you're in a favorable position to negotiate some very advantageous contract terms 🙂 After you ask all the details if there's something you don't like, feel free to press them on those and ask to change them, as you are in a great position to press your luck 😉

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                      • Melanie Ortins
                        Melanie Ortins @NessIllustration last edited by

                        @NessIllustration Good point! I'll have to do some research too though since this is not really my area of expertise. One of the reasons I want an agent is so they can sort out the contract stuff for me! 😂

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                        • Nyrryl  Cadiz
                          Nyrryl Cadiz SVS OG @Melanie Ortins last edited by

                          @Melanie-Ortins Hi! first of all, congratulations! I think a great way to gage an agency's performance and treatment of its artists is by asking the artists they represent. Search their illustrators and message them about their experience, how the agents treated them, how much jobs they got from the agency, whether they would recommend the agency to other artists, etc.

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                          • Melanie Ortins
                            Melanie Ortins @Nyrryl Cadiz last edited by

                            @Nyrryl-Cadiz Just did this and heard back from one artist immediately saying she's had a good experience (but also that it's her first agent so she has nothing to compare it to). She said that it was slow at first but she's getting more work now. I followed up asking how long she's been represented and stuff so we'll see!

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                            • Nyrryl  Cadiz
                              Nyrryl Cadiz SVS OG @Melanie Ortins last edited by

                              @Melanie-Ortins sounds good! If you choose to sign with this agent and it doesn't work out, you can always part ways and find another one.

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                              • Melanie Ortins
                                Melanie Ortins @Nyrryl Cadiz last edited by

                                @Nyrryl-Cadiz That's what I've been thinking too

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                                • Jeremy Ross
                                  Jeremy Ross @Melanie Ortins last edited by

                                  Hi @Melanie-Ortins, yes, their website is a bit outdated; however, I wouldn’t dismiss them based on that sole reason.

                                  Personally, I suggest you interview with them and discuss opportunities and potential client work. You might even politely slip in feedback on the website.

                                  They represent Newberry winner Kwame Alexander and James Dean (Pete the Cat series)!

                                  This might be an opportunity of a lifetime.

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                                  • Melanie Ortins
                                    Melanie Ortins @Jeremy Ross last edited by

                                    @Jeremy-Ross True! I'm definitely going to follow up with them and find out a bit more.

                                    It does seem like they mostly represent authors and author/illustrators though, so they might be more specialized in pitching full book ideas, and my writing skills are not quite up to par with my illustrations yet! For now, I'd prefer to just illustrate other people's books haha

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                                    • Jeremy Ross
                                      Jeremy Ross @Melanie Ortins last edited by

                                      Sounds good @Melanie-Ortins! Forgot to say congratulations for being contacted! Love your work!

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                                      • Melanie Ortins
                                        Melanie Ortins @Jeremy Ross last edited by

                                        @Jeremy-Ross Thanks!

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                                        • idid
                                          idid last edited by

                                          Great News!

                                          Here's the 2019 data I have when I was doing agent research. Deborah Warren seems to be good in terms of sales. But keep in mind their approaches of working with client is important too.

                                          Deborah Warren (East-West Agency)
                                          14 deals in this category in the last 12 months | 6 in the last 6 months | 60 overall | 3 six-figure+ deals

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                                          • xin li
                                            xin li last edited by

                                            @melanie first of all, congrats :-).
                                            I really see what you mean by their website. I also judged agencies by their website. That said, I went on and signed with an agency which I think their website looks really out-dated. Through my agency research, I noticed a tendency: the us agencies tends to have a more morden website than the UK agencies.

                                            I agree with the others and you: since they reached out to you, you might as well follow up the lead, and see how the communication goes. You can always say no at later point, if your gut feeling keeps saying "no". I think it is also a good oppotunity to practice on having dialog with agencies.

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