Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations

jdubz

@Molambo said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

yeah, i really wonder when the innocent till proven guilty thing changed. based on the last insta post from alphonso the thing will not be done in a shot amount of time. i really wonder how this will end, book itself is still listed on amazon.

It's really strange watching that change before my eyes over the last 2-3 years. Social media and cancel culture has really given a lot of people the sense that they personally choose what happens, and algorithms like we see where it only shows skewed comments on someone's profile do not help (on either side I might add). It gives people the impression that a small but vocal minority is the popular opinion and that simply is not the case.

I was genuinely concerned that Alphonso inadvertently opened himself up to a pretty big lawsuit. But thing have gone a completely different direction than I had initially thought. I was expecting Alphonso to tell people to simmer down and wait until he, his lawyer, Jake and his lawyer and the publisher to meet determine what actually happened. It seems it's going the other way. If his posts, videos and audience influence Jake's product and it's conclusive that Jake didn't steal anything, that's provably a huge amount of revenue not just for Jake but for for a large publisher. It's more likely the publisher themselves will go after Alphonso than Jake.

deborah Haagenson

@NessIllustration Boy isn't that the truth. I've seen people lose their jobs in the workplace over a misunderstanding or something that was escalated that should have been squashed by a good manager, but Instead bullying and mob mantality too over.

deborah Haagenson

@deborah-Haagenson typo - took over, not too over.

Nyrryl Cadiz

@lpetiti really? I’m so sorry. I can only imagine how bad you felt when close to you tells you this stuff.

demotlj

One thing that may be driving Alphonso Dunn is that, as far as I can tell, his Pen and Ink book and accompanying workbook are the only books he has published. I used to follow him on instagram and Youtube and with almost every post, he promoted those books. He's put all of his eggs into that basket and probably sees Jake's book as a huge threat to it. And there is no question that this controversy has increased his sales.

I have stopped following Dunn because as everyone has pointed out, his willingness to create an internet mob made me lose respect for him. I hope @Lee-White is communicating all of our support to Jake because I can't imagine how difficult this must be for him. I sometimes wonder if there have been times that he wishes he never started "Inktober!"

braden H

@jdubz said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:

It's more likely the publisher themselves will go after Alphonso than Jake.

That's what I initially thought, too. And who knows, it may happen (a spite suit?) But I think it's more likely that the publisher will ask 'can we even recoup our legal expenses, let alone our losses from the libellous actions'. And I'm willing to bet that they can't.

But yeah I'm on board with the fact that poking the internet beast and pointing it toward Jake was the wrong way to approach the situation. We got to see and compare two very different ways an artist can leverage their audience...

lpetiti

@Nyrryl-Cadiz yeah, I guess we just grew apart in a lot of ways.

NessIllustration

In other news, today a lawsuit was just greenlit against Taylor Swift for alleged copyright infringement of lyrics in her song Shake it Off. Plaintiffs allege that her lyrics "players gonna play, play, play, play, play, haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate" is a copy of their old song's lyric "Playas, they gon' play - Haters, they gon' hate". Cause you know, no one could have ever come up with these obvious phrases in isolation from one another.. Eyeroll. Seriously, what has the world come to? Common sense doesn't seem quite as common as it used to be.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/taylor-swift-shake-it-copyright-lawsuit-songwriters-lyrics-a9704541.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1mvLE_9IaIrpXM1gZUid33AKFxz1hOUo7BBJV4gxXfaPinadpmhvxe2Bo#Echobox=1599290875

@NessIllustration
at least they go the legal way and its up now to the two parties to present theire case and let a real judge deicde, based on the law given in the country

carrieannebrown

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NessIllustration

@carrieannebrown He did what?

jsnzart

Can anyone start talking about the bright side of it?

Like,...even just make it up.
For example;
Nature will take it's course.
The bad guy will lose.

We all agree Jake is a fine human.

If Mr. Dunn did something stupid, he will get what is coming to him.

What do you think will happen?
How will this play out?

Let's start using our creative minds, and create something interesting.

And please keep on smiling for Mr.Jake.

Nyrryl Cadiz

@carrieannebrown Dunn posted it here?

LisaF

@carrieannebrown @NessIllustration @Nyrryl-Cadiz Hi! Someone did post a link to the YT video here, but it wasn't Alphonso. @Lee-White deleted it because it was just the link, with no comment or context. Then Lee created this thread instead

carrieannebrown

@LisaF @NessIllustration @Nyrryl-Cadiz oh, my mistake. It was deleted when I went back to it but I had the impression it came from Dunn

NessIllustration

@carrieannebrown Oh I see! Well if it was just the link, it really could have been from anyone.

NessIllustration

@jsnzart I love your optimism, but sometimes people who do rash and hurtful things don't get what's coming to them, and sometimes the person who is in the right does not win. This isn't a perfect world This might be a situation were both parties end up worse for wear. But it's something that could happen to any of us and I do think it's helpful to discuss it and stay informed of the developments. Discussing it may also be cathartic for some (I know it is for me). Don't worry though I'm still creating through all of this! I don't think any of us here has stopped creating just to respond to this post 24/7... We're all quite capable of creating and discussing at the same time

Nyrryl Cadiz

@LisaF oh!... phew! i was shocked there for a bit

jsnzart

@NessIllustration Thanks.
What I mean is;
Instead of negativity, bring the positive forward.

Regards to being creative, I mean;
Use our creative minds to discuss a wonderful ending of this.

Make it happen!

Talk about a wonderful ending.
Not just for Jake.

How can a wonderful ending affect the whole community?

Nothing is impossible!
It begins with thoughts. And talking about it gives it life.
The opposite is talking about how bad it is.

So, c’mon, create a wonderful ending.

Nyrryl Cadiz

@jsnzart that does sound nice but I'd be lying to myself if I were to hope that there will be a happy ending. There's no winners here. There's a lesson to be learned but not everyone will accept it. Some people will still hate Jake, some people will still hate Dunn, Both of their reputations tarnished, and the art community will forever be scarred by this event.