Is there a time to graduate from SVS?
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@chrisaakins This is a tough question as we all feel the disappointment with these competitions(probably 80+ people). This month there were over 100 entries! I really liked your piece so I just think it was a matter of personal preference and whatever the judges are looking for each time- to be honest this is a bit of a mystery even after they detail what makes a good illustration and the set rules for a prompt.
I think you should not be discouraged Chris as your work is very strong and you are getting paid work- you are a professional. I think it's only human to be disappointed because of not being accepted and happy to have one's work validated. The thing is a competition is too open compared to the real world of illustration.
This is what creates a lot of ambiguity, and mystery. Hang onto your previous successes as an illustrator and don't forget that. Your work is Great!
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Chris- just giving you a perspective that I hope helps you... I'm not even published yet and naturally I'm dreaming of being in your shoes someday, yet find myself wondering if I'm good enough, to be in this business, among so many incredible artists in this forum and beyond. I didn't get picked either to be in the top 16, though last month I was close and given Honorable Mention. That was inspiring to me!!! This time I scrutinized my piece under the microscope of "Why am I even doing these competitions?" That said, of course, being a newbie here I honestly can't say I completely know where you're at because I am not in your shoes yet I am very familiar with disappointment and so many other negative emotions that follow. I noticed a habit of thought surfacing that stops me from progressing and having any fun here, I call it "comparison-Schlager" (worse than JagerMeister sp?) Therefore, I can't be my best self by noticing I wasn't picked.
I see the broad spectrum of choices and submissions puts Lee, Will, and Jake in a position of choosing pieces that reflect best from where they stand. I have found in really honestly looking at my submission I could have done some things better and that's why I realized THAT is why I do the contests. Not an indictment, rather an indication of what I need to improve my craft. And, it's not that I am not good or talented, it's that I just want to improve and then, so feedback is just relative.
Looking at your piece, I see you have some great movement, and a cool shift in perspective with the angular lines. I noticed you originally had it square and perpendicular and you asked about how to change the dynamic... Your interest in developing honestly helped me, in seeing how to create instability this way. Don't forget your growth and sincere interest in being good in this profession drives those of us watching from cyberspace... So keep up the excellent work, because I appreciate your skills and talent.
I do think if you pushed the emotion further by amplifying the expression on the boy's face, amp up the storm even further- add more animals rushing in (I used to work in an animal sanctuary so I can relate to the frenetic behavior of storms and all the crazy!!!) and even make the boy larger so he's more of the focal point? Just a few ideas.
Hope this helps- and keep going because you're a pro and I look forward to seeing your work.
Erin Richardson
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@ArtistErin THat is one aspect I had not considered, By publishing my progress and thinking that I may be helping others. I have certainly benefitted from that process as others farther ahead of me like @braydin-hawlette or @lizardillo go through their thinking process. As they did so I saw where I needed to improve my planning and benefitted from others' perspectives as they commented and critiqued.
@PenAndrew thanks for the words of encouragement. It's hard to think of oneself as a pro even when being paid to create illustrations. I appreciate your kind words.
In reading everyone's feedback I hear everyone saying it could have had a little more action or energy. I can see that. I think my aims for the illustration may have been at odds with the competition in which the goal is to wow the judges. I wanted more realism and a natural feeling. I felt at the time going "bigger" would seem too outlandish. I wasn't looking for Dorothy escaping the tornado but the everyday experience of being caught at the beginning of a thunderstorm while doing chores. More Laura Ingle's Wilder.
( now I am wondering " are we oversaturating our kids with frenetic images and making their tiny attention spans even shorter ?!" hahaha I'm an old geezer! hahaha)
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@chrisaakins I really relate to a lot of things you've brought up in this post, so first things first, you're not alone
Secondly, one key thing I take away from critique arena is the conceptual aspect of illustration - what I mean to say is that techniques aside, the contest helps me to see that my conceptual idea creation isn't at the level it should be.
That said, your piece was lovely and had a lot of emotion in that expression and movement, but I think when I see it next to others (and this goes for my work as well) it doesn't exactly feel like a fresh new idea with a clever twist to it.
Again, everything I'm saying is what I also say to myself. I think it's really easy for us to look at our work and say "I've spent 30 hours on this, I've nailed the perspective and gesture and lighting, so why isn't it in the top 16?" And when I've asked myself that question the answer is usually: well it lacks that uniqueness of a truly creative concept.
I hope this is useful to you and know that you're not the only one struggling with the self-doubt... and however cheesy it sounds haha I think you can grow from that doubt rather than give into it. I hope you figure out what's right for you
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@Kristen-Lango ahh the bane of concept versus execution. I seem to execute well or have a cool concept but I struggle with marrying the two. I am thinking now that this piece would be a sort of intro to the story and as Will said once, " when entering these pics that are a one-shot deal, you have to give me the "money shot", not the lead up to the money shot." haha!
Well, I am still not sure I will continue to enter the contests and renew my membership at the end of the summer. Honestly, at this point, I was only keeping the membership up to enter the contests. Not sure that is a good use of my money and time. Last year it paid off because I won twice. This year I have only had one piece break into the top 16. CUZ EVERYONE IS LIKE STEPPING UP THEIR GAME!!! haha! Seriously, I thought I did a cool tree house and then I looked at everyone else's and was like "Whoa, the lessons were totally learned from the Fairy Tale Inn and Albert's home (two that I won) Everyone had great shapes and cool designs that were very original. I need to step up my game. " Everyone did a great job of thinking outside the box and adding awesome storytelling elements. I thought my boat in a tree idea was unique and original and I ended up being like one of ten people to do so and theirs were way cooler! haha!
So kudos to everyone. As an art teacher, I love seeing everyone growing so fast as artists. I think though that I need to focus more on the business side: getting a portfolio critique, sending out postcards, hustling for more business, etc. I have loved the accountability and the community. It would have been nice to get on that final scoreboard along with the " greats" but I think I need to settle for "hey I get to draw for a living and that's way cool!"
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@chrisaakins haha I totally get everything you're saying! And oh my gosh I know about the treehouses! I was really impressed and intimidated, and the same goes for this month with storm too!
Definitely I think there's a time to focus on the skills and a time to focus on business - I'm not sure doing both at the same time is really the best way or even possible for that matter.
It sounds like you know where you're headed and what your next steps are, so hats off!
And congratulations on being able to make art for a living! Such a huge win in it's own right.
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@chrisaakins Hopefully you will still stay on the forums and participate in that even if you decide not to continue your subscription. You may need a break and then come back to SVS in the near future. I am sure you will be missed if you leave us here, so I hope you stay on the forums.
My art teacher at school was responsible for inspiring me to become an artist. His name was Mr Marshall. I wish I could have said thanks to him for being kind and liking my art. Another student told me how much he liked my work, I guess she was kind too, to share that knowledge to an insecure teen, as I was back then.
The seemingly small things that we share and give are really priceless and the real treasures that resonate throughout our lives.
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@chrisaakins Thanks Chris and everyone else for sharing here. As someone who doesn't have an artistic peer group (since I was from a completely different industry) being able to commiserate with other artists on frustrations and disappointments is also really valuable.
So maybe that's another reason to keep putting your work out there, whether through contests or otherwise. You never know when someone is learning from or being inspired by it!
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@JQ Yes, you are not alone with feeling disappointment. All creatives feel it.
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As someone who has been "with you" on the forum since very early on, let me be honest -- I don't think you don't need to enter the contests anymore. You have improved immensely since you started, you are a very good artist, you have a style that is your own, and as you said, the contests don't really provide the kind of critiques which might benefit you at the level you have now achieved. While I think the contests can help build portfolios and provide insight into story-telling and composition, etc. they can also become an exercise in trying to "learn the judges" and even they admit that sometimes it just comes down to very subjective choices.
I'm not putting down the contests -- I think they are fun -- but they can become self-defeating when they make us question our art. I actually came to where you are a few months ago and decided to stop entering the contests. This is partly because I am doing more nature watercolors and less illustration these days but it is mainly because I realized that the emotional uncertainty that resulted from my not making the top 16 wasn't helping me. I had a few Top 16's under my belt -- enough to make me feel Iike I'm not an absolute hack -- but I am now at a point where I need to trust my own artistic vision and style. Every time I didn't get into the top 16, I went a few steps backward in developing that self-trust so I finally said to myself, "The benefits of entering are no longer outweighing the costs to my confidence," and I stopped entering.
Unlike you, I am not looking to be a professional illustrator so my goals are different, but I think the forum might be a better place for you to get feedback and critiques on your work if you need it than the contest. There is more back and forth in the forum, the forum allows you to do follow-up corrections, and it won't leave you guessing as to why you didn't get chosen for the critique arena.
All of this lengthy epistle is to say to you then: I do believe you have graduated from the contests, summa cum laude.
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Everything that has been said in this thread is resonating with me. I am feeling discouraged too and reading everyone's experiences and encouragement has been very validating. I am a teacher too and feeling very burned out. It is so difficult to keep from taking these personally and also to keep believing in the dream of professionally illustrating. Thank you @chrisaakins for sharing your thoughts on the topic. I was too shy to do that.
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@demotlj Yes, I agree with many of these points, I think if we are trying to build up our confidence and find it being diminished it is not helpful, and I think there's a danger of trying to produce work that pleases the judges but doesn't please ourselves.
I am new to the contests but I am feeling a slight detrimental affect on my confidence and study. I joined SVS primarily to study and second to enter the contests. Now I find the contests hold to big a sway on me and my time.
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@jenn @chrisaakins Yes, thanks Chris for being brave expressing these thoughts and feelings. So, you see your contribution here in the forum is very valuable.
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Hi @chrisaakins, I’m with you man!
I stopped entering the contests after my Tiger piece to take a break and focus on learning, strengthening my fundamentals and doing more master studies of work I admired. I don’t have much free time for art, so I rather learn than work on a contest piece.
After entering every contest early on in my art studies, it took me a while to make Sweet 16, but then I started making it in. Few times I made it to top 4, but never won. I built a good portfolio with emphasis on storytelling and the contests helped me do this.
Now, I’m just trying to practice as much as I can to be “To good they can’t ignore me”, as Cal Newport says.
I have zero social media, and love the fact that when I create art, it’s just for me.
In closing, you have definitely graduated and no longer need to compete.
That’s right Chris, you’re a bad ass!
Cheers mate!
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@Jeremy-Ross hahaha! Thanks Jeremy!
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@chrisaakins I have personally never entered the contests! They seem fun and can be helpful in making portfolio pieces and get feedback, however if you already have a portfolio and are getting professional work, then your time can probably be better spent querying, working on contracts or building a second income stream
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@chrisaakins I really liked the concept for your tiger entry. i felt like it would have been more effective if your point of view hadn't been higher than the sitting grandpa. a lower point of view would have made me see it through the eyes of the young tigers being painted.
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I have some thoughts on this, but I’m traveling today. I’ll try to chime in sometime tomorrow. : )
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Hi Chris, I'm sorry to hear your disappointment about the outcome of the contest. As artists we've all been there from time to time. I think it's a healthy emotion sometimes, it keeps us going forward. And I see your improvement from month to month of the contest pieces. How you try new things like tilting the angle a bit like this storm piece. It's a very good one in my opinion. The rendering, the color, the composition looks very good. Maybe the storytelling part is a bit less interesting. Like they said concept is king. I think it needs a bit more of a unique story.
For me, I think entering the contest is more important for improving our storytelling skills more than our art skills. I think story is a lot more important than art.
I've just read a interesting article here, maybe it's relatable to you.
https://notepd.com/idea/10-mind-altering-tips-for-artists-who-want-to-achieve-greatness-in-their-lifetime-qdtjlAnd a short clip interview of Brad Rushing, I like what he said in the first 3 1/2 min.
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@aurelia Thanks for posting this article. They are all good points. For me, #1 and #2 are things that I need to make sure that I focus on. The first one is hard not to do as an artist. I know that Lee, Jake, and Will have all talked about a lot (along with some of the other points). It is good advice, but hard to follow
.@chrisaakins I like your work and it is cool to see the the progress you have made over time. I think that concept is always key in the contests, so if the story is not compelling enough, then it may not get chosen. Maybe you could compare your entries with others and see if your story is compelling compared to them. In fact, ask other people (without letting them know which one is yours) which idea is more interesting since we are usually are biased towards our own or people we know. This could let you know if your concept is interesting to others.
It is hard to not know how you could improve your piece if they don't get picked or critiqued, so I understand the frustration with that. It would be cool and scary to see a video of Lee, Jake, and Will picking the top 16 and get an insight of why they choose what they choose (like they mentioned during the last Critique Arena). It would be hard to see your own piece taken out, but at least you would know why it happened.
