29 Aug 2020, 01:11
My heartfelt sympathy that this is happening. I don't think anyone here could deny Jake's reputation as an artist, being a person of integrity, or his generosity as a teacher. My pre-order remains as long as it takes.
Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations
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@Julia It's crazy! The Illustration Department podcast had a really good discussion on it a while back if you'd like to learn more about it (plus it's just a great podcast!). The episode is #13 with Leila Sales, who wrote a kidlit book about it.
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@George-Broussard Wait, WHAT!? Deviant dropped inktober events over this? WOW. I admire your cancelling your account with them. Did you let them know why?
Lisa Burvant
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Start here: https://www.lettershoppe.com/blog
more on her IG
https://www.instagram.com/lettershoppenation/with the story from side of one of the models she infringed on https://www.instagram.com/evyan.whitney/
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What year did the first Inking course come out here on SVS?
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One thing I find interesting (and unfair) is how quickly a chunk of the art community can turn against a person. Regardless of the goodwill that has been built, the countless hours spent offering free advice and support and all around good personness (thats a word, trust me), that people will disregard all of that in pursuit of drama and to find a villain to focus their energies on. A story can just take off and if a strong enough fan base gets a hold of it, oh boy, hold on. We've seen that will Ellen DeGeneres--She's done amazing things for the world for years and years yet now the story and momentum has shifted against her for what is perhaps perceived vs. what is known.
I'm not totally sure what the takeaways are either but its just something that rattles around in my mind. The bigger the audience gets, the harder it becomes to control messaging and even the most thoughtful, well backed up evidence is disregarded for drama posts on social media. As humans, seems like we have to strive to be the absolute best versions of ourselves, continue to be selfless with our community and do the best we can-perhaps if a cancel culture issue comes up, the damage may be reduced.
What an absolute clustermuck…Devastated for Jake and disappointed beyond belief on how this is playing out.
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@AnthonyWheeler I found this post announcing the class in Sept 2015:
https://forum.svslearn.com/topic/422/just-launched-how-to-ink?_=1598659531264
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My heartfelt sympathy that this is happening. I don't think anyone here could deny Jake's reputation as an artist, being a person of integrity, or his generosity as a teacher. My pre-order remains as long as it takes.
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@burvantill said in Inktober Book Plagerism Accusations:
Wait, WHAT!? Deviant dropped inktober events over this? WOW. I admire your cancelling your account with them. Did you let them know why?
Yes, I did. It won't matter but there needs to be some pushback against nonsense.
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People are vicious right now... If you take a neutral or with any hint of taking JP’s view, people just attack you and say “Did you watch Alphonso’s entire video?” This is ridiculous, I can say the same thing to Alphonso: “Did you read Jake’s entire book before publicly defaming him over pen&ink concepts you did not invent?”
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I work in the medical field and almost all the medical textbooks have very similar order of presenting and explaining disease entities. In pathology, for example, it is most often: Epidemiology -> Clinical presentation/symptoms -> Pathologic findings -> Prognosis. Authors don’t accuse of each other for presenting concepts with similar titles in the same order, that would be farcical! It’s plagiarism if you copied sentences word for word and rip off the exact same image from another book/article. It would be narcissistic to think that once you’ve published on a topic, no one else should publish on the same topic. That’s like saying artists don’t have their own personal unique point of view to bring to the same topic. So why keep writing love songs when there are thousands of those already...
But I have to voice my concern that will not be popular on this forum: is it at all possible Jake pushed out this book too quickly without enough research to see if there may be risks of plagiarism accusations?... -
@Marta-Kitka yeah it’s like:”don’t send an email when you are angry”
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@pixel-dsp I don't think this is an unpopular question only because Jake Parker seems to have gone through the trouble of crediting people in his book. We just haven't seen that yet. Alphonso Dunn (afaik because I couldn't watch the entire 57 minutes of his video) seems to be coming from a place where he thinks he invented much of this stuff. If Jake Parker has been teaching this so long and is confident about where his book fits in the tradition of teaching inking methods, then I don't see why he wouldn't make a regular publisher deadline on it to coincide with Inktober.
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There are a number of issues being discussed here, though related they are quite different.
The issue of plagiarism on the layout of a book by cherry picking or accessing a couple pages is ludicrous. there are only so many ways to layout graphics and in any visual book you can find similarities. Until the entire book can be compared there is no way to say if the look and layout was copied.
As for the topic/steps/mechanics of inking, these terms, demo's/examples and tools have been universal for many lifetimes. My instructors in college were world level artists and far removed from jake. They used the same examples shown in the pages shown. It's ridiculous to think one person owns any method that has been used for generations.
The gentleman on youtube has acted out like too many on social media and online, react and attack. what happened to thought and discussion? I can't say legally who is right as I am not an attorney or expert but using common sense clarifies it in my mind.
As for sites cancelling "inktober", don't come down on them without knowing their reasons. They could just be tools who are reactionary or they may simply want to avoid any issues with using a trademarked word. trademark is far different than copyrights. A trademark owner is required to defend their trademark or risk losing it and/or having it enter public domain. While a trademark owner may be willing to accept loose enforcement and let the mark be used - attorneys and publishers are not so willing to be nice. When Inktober was trademarked the owner I am sure realized, or should have realized, not only would there be flack over registering what what others were encouraged to use but that there would be damage to that brand that would affect participation. the phrase went from being a community activity to an activity that was owned (in name only but owner nonetheless). I'm not so sure the trademark would have been granted had opposition been submitted during the filing period with clear examples of the history of the phrase.
It is disheartening to see artists, who are supposed to open and willing to explore openly attack Jake the way they are. I guess I wrongly believed that creative people were the type to not jump to conclusions.
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@jimsz I guess I'm confused... My understanding is that Jake owns the copyright and trademark to Inktober. The sites mentioned had contractual deals set up months in advance with Jake/Inktober to either do activities that dovetailed into this year's Inktober activities (Jake and DeviantArt had announced the first ever Inktober awards with DeviantArt months ago) or were events cosponsored by Inktober (the Lightbox Expo). Both sites have clearly decided to distance themselves from Jake and Inktober altogether, which is understandable considering this issue will probably take months to figure out, but still very disappointing as they did so before Jake even released his public statement. Last year there was a giant frackas when Jake legally started enforcing his trademark because (as I understood it) he had to or he'd lose it, plus he had this book deal in the works. The art community went ballistic as they lost something they felt they were entitled to. This incident has simply added more fuel for their torches.
I completely agree it's frustrating to see artists attack each other so swiftly, but it has been my personal observation by looking at the majority of the accounts doing the disparaging (because I've been quite carefully determining who to block from my own accounts) that around half of them seem to have between 5-50 followers, both on Instagram and Twitter. They seem to be younger, early-stage artists who may not fully understand what they saw when they watched Mr. Dunn's video comparison. I take solace in that.
It's also apparent to me that 1) there might be a lot of "trash talk" accounts artists are using to cut down others to keep their anonymity as the number of posts they've made seem very limited, and 2) a lot of non-artists may be jumping on the bandwagon (based on the content of their feeds), which just feels... depressing for the state of society in general...
I may be coming across as a little creepy and stalker-ey but it has been incredibly satisfying to just simply Blockety-Block-Block the more radical and "expressive" commenters as well as some of the very small handful of established artists that have been around long enough to know better... It does my heart and my sanity a little good... Ahem.
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@Coreyartus I have to admit I didn’t fully understand the issue around JP trademarking Inktober, so what I say may be out of place. But in my mind, JP did create inktober and he has the right to legally protect this logo. Why do people feel entitled to freely use other creators’ logo? It’s a logo! Do people think they can freely slap FedEx logo on their artwork while complaining people ask them to make art for free?...
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@Lee-White Thank you for sharing this post and some of the evidence.
@Jake-Parker You've inspired so many artists and contributed so much to this community and the larger art community. Keep your chin up and keep up the great work!
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@davidhohn thank you for the links. I am discovering the cancellation culture and Evyan Whitney's story educated me about the origin of call out actions.
That said, I can't reconcile what first was a way for activists to make themselves heard on the behalf of silenced minorities and what is happening in Alphonso/Jake case, which looks (to me) more to be a public trial without presumption of innocence (which is the foundation of the legal system in France, where I am coming from).
I am very puzzled about all this and I suspect I am also lacking references to fully grasp the contextual and cultural components, which transformed what was originally a dispute between two artists, into a social online action.
I will step back from this thread to think of it. Thank you for those who, by sharing their opinion, enlighted me about the cancel culture..
I am just hoping now that the two protagonists will solve the issue quickly and the consequences of it won't be as awful as it seems to be now on a reputational and business standpoint, but also for the sake of the art community.
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@pixel-dsp I know right? My guess is that if they already have products with the Inktober logo then they’d have to stop selling them or atleast find a way to remove the logo from the product. This is a more reasonable reason. Another theory of mine is that they feel their inktober artwork won’t feel geniune if they can’t use the logo which is just ridiculous. They can still make inktober art. They can still sell products for inktober. They just can’t use the official logo which is totally fine if you ask me.
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I came across this on Instagram where someone out of nowhere told me the Inktober book was a copy. I don’t know Jake personally but being an avid listener of the podcast, I feel I got the gist of Jake’s personality and immediately thought “That doesn’t sound like something Jake would do”. So I asked the commenter for clarification and all I got was a link to Alphonso’s Instagram account. I figured it was a troll issue and didn’t bother following up.
Then I see this thread and yowza! While I haven’t watched the video and don’t care to, like most of the replies here said, you can’t copyright drawing techniques. As for The rest of the content, similarities happen.
How did Alphonso get the book? I don’t think it has been released yet, or am I wrong?
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@danielerossi Dunn has not seen the book. He is basing his argument on the handful of pages on the preorder site and a handful more from Jake’s Instagram.