Serious Critique Request

[DOTTYP]

@VivianTong Thanks for linking to this Photography post I found it really useful.

[xin li]

Hi. I understand how you feel. It is hard to not knowing what to work on. I often has the same feeling: I had a strong piece, but it was not picked.

I want to offer a suggestion that may sound counter-productive.

• try to make art that does not look like yours at all for a bit, and see what happens.

I always immediately can tell which piece is yours everytime I scroll through the contest thread. Many people may say that is a good thing - an artist with his own distinct voice. But I find it problematic especially when the distinct style does not get enough traction (from contests or portential desired clients).

I have gone through this process myself several times during the past year. I tried this not only with techniques, tools, but also with the kind of stories I tell with my images. The reason I do this is that I try to find a sweet spot: the kind of art that I enjoy the process, and my audience enjoys the results.

I think we all need to improve the fundimentals all the time. But we artists are also easily get caught up by lighting, brushes, textures and forgot about the story. In the end of the day, we want to make stories that resonate with the audience. I really think you have strong enough fundation to carry out any story succesfully. The bigger issue is the story itself. Like @Nathalie-Kranich said, it is a strong story, but does not really match with the childrens book world.

I am interested in hearing how other people go about this process of "deciding your style". (For me, it is not so much about finding a style, more like deciding, if that make sense.)

[KathrynAdebayo]

Before I knew about the SVS forum, I used to watch everything Will Terry had on YouTube, and I still remember a third Thursday critique I watched, way back when, of one of your pieces. The fact that I can remember your image so clearly, amidst the hundreds of other critiques I’ve watched, is hopefully encouraging to you. You have the artist fire lit, and it seems to burn strongly! It has endured for years! Any artist with passion and extreme determination can make it, in my opinion. Perhaps it’s about finding the other people who will remember you. Thanks for all you do for this artist community. You’re so helpful to so many!

[SundayGirl76]

Hi Chip

I didn't want to read and run and thought I'd offer my two pennies worth on your illustration. I haven't seen the other entries yet.

The issues for me are:

• The glowing bacon makes no sense and has no context - they appear to be in a standard cafe/canteen rather than somewhere magical.
  -The characters need work - if you're going to have pigs sat in a canteen using forks, they're going to need fingers and thumbs to make that look feasible.
  -Why is the canteen dark at lunchtime? I can't make sense of the situation I'm looking at and there are no clues to help me. It suggests a power cut, but no one is acting like there's been a power cut (carry candles/torches/looking stressed/trying to scare each other etc).

I think the textures you use are great and your use of line and expressions made me think of Axel Scheffler. I thought about how Scheffler draws pigs and the shapes he uses, and why they're successful. I think that comes down to the cuteness factor - his look like kids. Your pigs look older and I think it's down to too many depressions/bulges in the overall shapes. Their arms look muscular rather than chubby and cute.

I hope this is helpful - it's coming from a good place. I can see how helpful you are to so many on here and thought I'd offer some honest critique in return.

[Chip Valecek]

Thank you everyone for the feedback. I can see that my vision was really only clear to me and not the viewer. I truly appreciate all that everyone has said. It gives me a lot to think about while moving forward.

[burvantill]

I'm coming to this late, but I respect you as an art friend so I don't want to let this go by. I've been looking at your Instagram page this last week and have come to the conclusion that your art is well suited for teens. There are only a handful of images there that are mild enough to be oriented towards young children. That being said I have a 10 year old niece that would LOVE your art, she watches Pet Cemetery on a regular basis. You have a very unique style with your cartoony drawings that stands out in the crowd. I want to say something that was said to me. Don't let what you believe to be your style keep you from growing. I tried to draw in the same way for a very long time because I wanted to be recognized by my "style" and as soon as I decided to change it up, I recognized a huge growth spurt in my skill. My friends did as well. Your cartoony images while immediately recognizable as yours are very juvenile. I mean that, they are a little disproportionate, perspectives are sometimes different in the same image, the value and color schemes fight for the spotlight. I think that if you left off the black and white outlines, your characters would be lost. You may want to try leaving off the outlines in your process until your color and values are strong on their own and then put in your signature contour lines... if you feel that they are still needed. I found that i didn't need my outlines after I improved.
I'm sorry if I was too hard on you. Please consider it tough love, because I know you have it in you. Your 100 horror somethings are truly very cool. Don't give up. Find your audience.

[nkdrawings]

Chip, your piece is great! I love the macabre take on the three little pigs concept, and the cackling wolf/teacher. You do a great job with storytelling and the contrast and lighting makes the focal point stand out. I'm not sure exactly what their criteria are for the contests, but please don't be disheartened. I look at this piece and can't wait until I have gained the skill to create something like this!

Great job on the steam clouds coming from the hot pork products, but I'd love to see how she got them so fresh and steamy-good. It could be funny if she has a mini electric griddle and is cooking them right there or something, making the smell of grilling pig permeate the cafeteria. You could even have some of the background pigs be looking over in horror (but of course, this is your piece and it's great as it is too!).

You could also possibly play with the wolf teacher - I love the laughing, amused versio, but you could also explore a more menacing wolf, getting ideas about the pigs from seeing and smelling that tasty bacon.

Anyway, this piece is fantastic, and I can't wait to see more of your work! Don't give up, and you will be recognized for your work because you've put your time and effort into making it great.

[Chip Valecek]

@burvantill not hard at all, I am taking it all in. I can't thank this community enough for getting behind me and pushing me. Total support and I love it. I did get away from the white lines on my larger pieces like this one. A few contests back there was a lot of feedback on removing the white line and working on values more. For my quick pieces that take about an hour I add it.

[Lee White]

I asked @Chip-Valecek if I could show this and he said yes. It's a quick crit that highlights some of the things we are seeing with his images. I hope this might help both Chip and other people to gain some insight to things we think about when judging images. Note: this is just an opinion and there could be other judges that say the total opposite.

The crux of the problem with Chip's images is they seem to be right in the middle of and illustration and a Sunday "comic" panel. If they leaned more into illustration and less toward the comic side, it may nudge it in the right direction. OR, he could go totally to the comic side of things. But being in the middle is tough because it doesn't fit in either category really well.

Take a look and hopefully this makes sense! We love seeing all the work you guys do and we respect each and every one of your entries! Keep 'em coming! : )

Cheers,
Lee

[Heather Boyd]

@Lee-White this is really good advice, and it helps understand your judging. I do have a question on how Jake Parker use of hard and soft edges, what do you mean by how he uses them?

[Lee White]

@Heather-Boyd jake really understands lighting quite well and uses that to his advantage. When he is making a form shadow across a form, it's very soft (like it should be). But jake keeps the edges of his shadows hard everywhere else (cast shadows, etc.). Also, the edges of his objects are very controlled with hard objects getting hard edges and things that are in the background getting softer as they recede into space.

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[DOTTYP]

@Lee-White Very useful info for everyone Thanks for this Lee.

[Whitney Simms]

@Lee-White thanks for chiming in! You guys created this forum to help artists help artists. It truly has created friendships that we all want each other to succeed. I know I try to offer advice that will help, but i don’t have the credentials to back it up. So again, thanks for leaving your words!

@Chip-Valecek good luck! You have some things to think about. Hang in there and we all can’t wait to see what comes next.

[Chip Valecek]

Stay tuned... I am taking a step back from contests the rest of the year. I will finish inktober but in the meantime I am going to start over. Taking @Lee-White advice I am doing the dream portfolio assignment, this time with master study's. I then I will move on from there.

I can't thank this community or the instructors enough for all the support! Special thanks to @Lee-White for taking time out of his busy day to put this together for me/us.

[Laurel Aylesworth]

@Chip-Valecek I hope you'll still post your work here at the forum -- I would love to see the evolution of Chip V. Also, I don't think you're starting over. I think you're evolving as an artist and building on to your existing skillset.

[Heather Boyd]

@Chip-Valecek steps back can help propel you forward. Keep on learning and have some fun along the way. You will certainly find something solid to grab hold of and make your own. Definitely post a thread as you go.

[Lee White]

@Chip-Valecek Solid plan. I have done that same step a few times and am even doing it again this spring!

[Chip Valecek]

@Laurel-Aylesworth I still have a handful of pieces waiting to be posted on instagram and facebook. During that time I will for sure post my journey along the way.

[Lee White]

I should add in this thread that we will be offering 1 on 1 video critiques VERY soon at svs. They will be affordable and give you guys a chance to check in with an instructor to see how you can improve your work. We will let you know about this as things progress!