Painting colour and light 2.0 Group run through week Two!

burvantill · 20 Dec 2019, 20:45

@jdubz for me it depends on what media I’m using. If I’m doing digital I would normally fill in a local value as if there’s no light source or ambiant light and then put in the lights and shadows. When I’m working in watercolor you have to do it all at the same time it’s a lot to juggle.
I learned a tip from an episode on Chiustream (either the Core or Plein and Simple) that the real world lives in the mid key values area. There is rarely any pure blacks or pure whites. Unless you are looking at a photo. I try to keep that in my head when I am pushing my darks.

braden H · 21 Dec 2019, 03:36

@jdubz said in Painting colour and light 2.0 Group run through week Two!:

For example, are you building the mid-tones and setting the base color of all the objects flat, and then applying shadow, then coming back and adding light?

Pretty much, yup

As for the darker scene, For the most part even if I'm doing a scene that's 'dark', it's really not dark at all. It's just predominately cool. It's dimmer, yeah, but not DARK dark.

Overall the big things that have helped me have been doing a really REALLY simple value study using 5 values only, and doing a colour study (which I'm starting to refer to as a minipainting). My problem was always though I had to figure it out as I went with the full size piece instead of working small and playing until I got something that looked 'right' if you get what I mean.

braden H · 21 Dec 2019, 03:38

@burvantill said in Painting colour and light 2.0 Group run through week Two!:

he ball at the top. From where the light is coming from vs where the viewer is makes the light hitting to ball tough to capture. I looked for reference but all I could find were images where the light source and viewpoint are on the same side. I think I got it right but I’m not sure.

I always think of phases of the moon. Crescent and gibbous show the moon (a sphere) lit from different angles. In other words, yes you did it right

NicolaSchofield · 21 Dec 2019, 09:04

@jdubz said in Painting colour and light 2.0 Group run through week Two!:

I'm really curious to what processes you all use when you build a piece. That's something I've struggled with to get right.

For digital I'm stumbling my way around a bit trying to find something that feels right and works for me. For watercolour things are generally a little more structured just because you have to work with the nature of the paint. Usually highlights are reserved then you work from light to dark and wet to dry. I generally follow something like this tea-milk-honey method:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/citizensketcher.com/2014/08/19/printable-cheat-sheet-for-tea-milk-and-honey-workshop/amp/

You wash in local colour and general form very loosely then add cast shadows then the darkest darks - doorways, contact shadows (I guess that's occlusion shadows) so kinda the opposite order from the three steps in the painting colour & light instructions. I find the tea-milk-honey way more intuitive but it might just be because I learnt that first.

Coley · 21 Dec 2019, 15:07

my exercise 03. I didn't look at anyone else's stuff before I did mine as I wanted to just use my own brain to think ha ha.
I did a similar angle of light as @Braden-Hallett as it turns out and I also didn't work on any local value or highlights etc, just the shadows only. i noticed Braden had a shadow for the taller cylinder which makes a lot of sense as it is taller than the sphere so it definitely could show up!
i used a really soft brush, next attempt I;m going to try a different brush and different angle.
This is not as easy as it looks! (Just like everything in art ) So grateful I have a like minded group to follow along with and get some learnin done so excited for all the learning and progress to come in 2020!

burvantill · 21 Dec 2019, 16:46

@neschof Thanx for sharing the link

demotlj · 22 Dec 2019, 02:03

After I said I’d join you doing this class, things got really busy. I got as far as collecting some reference for week 1 but never had time to post it so I’ve decided I’m just going to lurk for the rest of the time. I love looking at everyone’s homework though; I’ll learn from your work!

Coley · 22 Dec 2019, 09:53

shadow coming from upper right. All caught up now

burvantill · 22 Dec 2019, 16:13

@Coley I’m loving that reflected light on the ball

Heather Boyd · 22 Dec 2019, 20:25

I will be unable to continue as much as I would like. Time crunch with two works I have planned to finish this month.

All the best!

NicolaSchofield · 22 Dec 2019, 22:13

I’m finding this one much harder! I think I only added colour to feel like I was making progress

burvantill · 22 Dec 2019, 23:08

@neschof I think you had the same trouble I did with the large ball and the light hitting it side on. Braden gave me a tip and I took this image from the web to help in these difficult situations. LOL

I think your ball would look like "young" moon or "old" moon flipped.

Coley · 22 Dec 2019, 23:27

@burvantill reflected light is so purty

braden H · 22 Dec 2019, 23:37

No worries to those of you who can't continue the course. The threads will be here once you return

braden H · 22 Dec 2019, 23:53

Week three thread is up!

https://forum.svslearn.com/topic/8532/painting-colour-and-light-2-0-group-run-through-week-three

NicolaSchofield · 23 Dec 2019, 08:39

@burvantill thanks, yeah, for the lollypop ball, right? For the ball on the ground, it's supposed to be mostly in the shadow of the staircase.

I think I need to actually add the light direction arrow to keep me on track better. It's supposed to be coming from top right but also slightly towards the viewer.

Emily Engh · 24 Dec 2019, 04:50

This is one assignment I think I’m going to keep coming back too. I’m open to any constructive critiquing.

braden H · 24 Dec 2019, 17:26

@neschof said in Painting colour and light 2.0 Group run through week Two!:

I think I need to actually add the light direction arrow to keep me on track better. It's supposed to be coming from top right but also slightly towards the viewer.

I'll always draw a little arrow in to keep me on track. It's always helpful

@Emily-Engh said in Painting colour and light 2.0 Group run through week Two!:

This is one assignment I think I’m going to keep coming back too. I’m open to any constructive critiquing.

It's definitely a good assignment to keep coming back to

When you're deciding values, I'd try and keep in mind the local value of the objects. The shadows seem to get too dark to me (but then again my sense of value is pretty skewed )

Emily Engh · 26 Dec 2019, 22:02

@Braden-Hallett

Thank you for the feed back on the values. I’ll look back at them I’m thinking during the screen shot, saving and posting my values seem to darken than what I’m working on, it happened when I posted on my social media as well.

I do the arrow on every thing even when I working traditional, when working digitally I’ll place the arrow on a separate layer. It always seems to help keep me in line.

When I took the screen shot of the arrow one I think I forgot to turn off the layer.