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    'Choosing beggars' and the best way to say 'no'

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    • NessIllustration
      NessIllustration Pro @braden H last edited by

      @Braden-Hallett Well geeze ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Surely he didn't think that was a good way of getting you to do it. Wow...
      I've had people curse me out after I said no, but no one who actually tried to argue with me and try to get me to do it lol.. So I don't know about a go-to phrase. Maybe I'd go with the classic "You are being very rude. Please stop, I won't answer to that." I mean you don't have to keep engaging with him if he's being such an ass. A good old block also does wonders.

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      • MattBaker
        MattBaker last edited by

        This situation sucks. I've been guilt-tripped but never had people been rude to me that much yet.

        My go-to response is the old 'You wouldn't ask a doctor, a plumber, or an electrician to work for free (unless you're helping people in the slums or something charitable). You also wouldn't say to a builder "Do this job for free and if I'm happy with it I'll use you for future jobs", and other such rubbish comments that are used on artists. I politely try to educate them to see illustration as a valued skill worth paying for, and if that doesn't work I insult them about whatever work they do, haha kidding.

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        • Kim Hunter
          Kim Hunter last edited by

          You can start by coughing then put your hand on your forehead and ask them how to tell if you have a fever. Beyond that - I get this all the time with my goat grazing business. People act like it's some huge favor to allow me to clean up years of neglect on their property. Sometimes I say, sure, I'll bring my goats over for free if you'll paint my house for free. Or, When you go for a trail ride at the park do you invoice the livery stable for exercising their horse? Or, if all I wanted to do is break even, I'd sell the goats and get a hammock. Throw out a few zingers then sneeze and say, I really think I'm coming down with something.

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          • carlianne
            carlianne last edited by

            I haven't had anyone guilt trip me, but I usually just say sorry that my plate is too full and I can't take anymore work on.

            Check out my art and tutorials :)

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            • burvantill
              burvantill Moderator last edited by burvantill

              Sure dude! Here ya go,
              C64DD3A5-A058-4164-B10D-0B0A8F3BB402.png
              ๐Ÿ˜ฌ
              Donโ€™t let the bastards get you down. ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ’›

              Lisa Burvant
              www.lisaburvant.com
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              • Nyrryl  Cadiz
                Nyrryl Cadiz SVS OG @braden H last edited by

                @Braden-Hallett lol! You have got to share the whole message. My usual turnoff is when they state their budget. It usually goes something like, โ€œWill you illustrate my book for 100 bucks?โ€ Lol ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ I live in the Philippines but I canโ€™t even live for a month on that budget.

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                • xin li
                  xin li last edited by

                  @Braden-Hallett I think I would go with @carlianne's advice. I can not imagine they can keep bugg you if you tell them you do not have time for their whatever project. If they still trying, then just ignore them.

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                  • Jeremy Ross
                    Jeremy Ross last edited by

                    Hi @Braden-Hallett, your work demands top dollar!

                    As a suggestion, maybe you can say that you would love to provide a piece for free, but you are booked solid on paid work.

                    Either way, treat it as a compliment that someone is willing to beg for your art! Kudos brotha!

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                    • Paint Doodles
                      Paint Doodles @burvantill last edited by

                      @burvantill I agree with this being the best way. You still deliver a free drawing ๐Ÿคฃ

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                      • Eli
                        Eli @burvantill last edited by

                        @burvantill Haha YES!! "Ok, here's what's available at that price point."

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                        • braden H
                          braden H last edited by

                          lol thanks everyone!

                          What I'm hearing is mostly 'don't be so polite' ๐Ÿ™‚

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                          • artwithashley
                            artwithashley last edited by

                            @burvantill I just laughed out loud at this! Thank you for making my day.
                            And... @Braden-Hallett your work is brilliant and you deserve to be paid for it!

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                            • Eli
                              Eli last edited by

                              In seriousness, I find that "I'm sorry, that's just not possible" and leave it at that closes the door pretty well. It isn't rude, but it doesn't leave any room for argument. If they come back after that, they are just wasting your time. Don't respond further to their nonsense. People like that aren't worth your time. They will never value your talents.

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                              • burvantill
                                burvantill Moderator @braden H last edited by

                                @Braden-Hallett said in 'Choosing beggars' and the best way to say 'no':

                                What I'm hearing is mostly 'don't be so polite'

                                It's probably difficult for you, being Canadian and all. ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ

                                Lisa Burvant
                                www.lisaburvant.com
                                Instagram & Twitter & SVS: @burvantill

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                                • chrisaakins
                                  chrisaakins @burvantill last edited by chrisaakins

                                  @burvantill That pic is hilarious. With my luck he would still make a mint off of it and not give me any credit.
                                  Also rudeness is against @Braden-Hallett 's religion.

                                  Chris Akins
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                                  • braden H
                                    braden H @burvantill last edited by

                                    @burvantill said in 'Choosing beggars' and the best way to say 'no':

                                    It's probably difficult for you, being Canadian and all.

                                    IT'S SO HARD ๐Ÿ• (I was going for the smiley face, but you know what, I'm gonna leave the dog. )

                                    It's more that you never if if the bridge you just burned is gonna be one you need to cross in the future, so it's better to burn no bridges if possible ๐Ÿ™‚

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                                    • braden H
                                      braden H @chrisaakins last edited by

                                      @chrisaakins said in 'Choosing beggars' and the best way to say 'no':

                                      Also rudeness is against @Braden-Hallett 's religion.

                                      lol, I say! LOL! ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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                                      • burvantill
                                        burvantill Moderator @braden H last edited by burvantill

                                        @Braden-Hallett I hear you. I make light of it, but if anyone I didnโ€™t know personally asked for something free I would probably have the same dilemma as you. My extended family and friends have finally learned that Iโ€™m worth something at least and have stopped asking for free stuff. They pay me now, I give them huge discounts tho,
                                        [edit: sorry about the language. I forget sometimes that people here donโ€™t really know me and visa versa and may be offended. I shall try to keep my shenanigans PG from now on. I just thought it was funny because Iโ€™m a Guardians fan๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜ฌ]

                                        Lisa Burvant
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                                        Instagram & Twitter & SVS: @burvantill

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                                        • Adriana Bergstrom
                                          Adriana Bergstrom @braden H last edited by

                                          @Braden-Hallett I might respond with:

                                          Thank you for the opportunity to work on your content. Please understand that the time I spend on working for a free project actually costs me money in the form of time that I could have used to work on a paid project. Those paid projects are the ones that sustain and support my livelihood.

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                                          • kylebeaudette
                                            kylebeaudette last edited by

                                            I had someone contact me for free work recently. It was just 'something small, no big deal for someone like me to draw..'
                                            I said I was swamped and couldn't take on new projects at this time. I told them to certainly ask me again in three months.
                                            They won't.

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