Does this comic page work in black and white

[braden H]

@Aleksey You're absolutely right Way back when I was still trying my webcomic in black and white I couldn't figure out texture and spot black. I fixed it by moving to colour

My tendency is to overdo it, so this'll be good practice!

[ArtofAleksey]

@Braden-Hallett true. Im trying the texture thing myself im hoping it plays out ok for this months piece

[burvantill]

@Braden-Hallett I follow an artist on IG @aaronhorkey. He does a fine/commercial art of sorts but uses mainly ink. His halftones are AMAZING. It’s not the same style as yours by a long shot but it’s worth a look.
Here’s a screenshot

[braden H]

@burvantill Oh wow! That is some amazing feathering! Thank you! Always good to have reference and inspiration

[StudioLooong]

For me, the placement of the chapter number and title are kind of breaking up the sequence, it might just be that I'm not looking at it in the context of the other pages but it might flow better if you moved them to the beginning or end of this bit.

[ShannonBiondi]

Hey! I think most of what I was going to say has already been said, that is, maybe add more texture or consider using half tones? I think this would be particularly helpful in panels like the very first one. The 'nool' thing also pops out but you've already adressed that. Well done though. It looks really great!!

[Susan Marks]

@Braden-Hallett I like it!
In addition to what others have said and you have acknowledged-is Nicole the customer?
I’m reading her as staff. Or why would the character ask a customer when is lunch?

It took me some work to figure out how Nicole was the same as the character in the 4th Panel. I figured it out by putting together the helmet. Perhaps you’re I could make that connection a little easier by making some aspect of her clothing visually the same (with texture! Rather than color).

[braden H]

@Susan-Marks I think the confusion about 'who is customer' comes from lack of context. The next 10 pages sort things out

[braden H]

Thanks very much for the feedback, everyone! Regardless of whether I try and provide a BW version along with the colour, trying to really sort things out in BW is a great exercise (and really takes planning, apparently :smiling_face_with_open_mouth_closed_eyes: )

Here's the black and white with more spot black and texture (gonna do some Jeff Smith master studies over the next few days) and a colour version.

Do you think providing a BW version along with the colour is a bad idea?

[theprairiefox]

@Braden-Hallett I have been working through this problem as well. It really came up to me as we were working class to figure out values. I would like most of my finish work to be done in monochrome. But I still need to work in value if I want a piece to read well.

That means, you need to add texture and/or shading via ink...

What I was doing in class was using the values studies in thumbnails and the rough process and then figured out equivalent in B&W. Which may be textures or half-tones or crosshatching as needed. You get a little of this in your 3rd panel as you have the wood textured, but you could do so much more to get the definition and get everything to read.

For example: the last panel I just read the hair and the angry bubble. I can't really see what is going on with the desk. If the person is important behind the desk maybe make her dark?

I think you could use the suspenders as a mid-tone with a texture to provide a quick read on your main character as well.

Just some thoughts, I love your work. It is always so much fun.

[burvantill]

@Braden-Hallett the black/white reads much better with the new changes.

[JerrySketchyArt]

@Braden-Hallett Much easier to read. Good job adjusting!

[avfarrar]

Oh, yeah. Making the castle lighter really helps the image clarity. "Nicooooole" is also easier to understand. This page looks great!

[ArtofAleksey]

Yeah this black and white works a lot better, but honestly I think your color helps this stand out way more. Is there a reason why you wanted to do black and white and no color?

[braden H]

@theprairiefox Awesome perspective! I'm thinking about trying to use the value study I do at the comp stage as guide for spot blacks like you said. I may try adding a simple midtone as many have suggested.

Thanks for the feedback

[braden H]

@Aleksey I just wanna show a black and white option for the sake of having a black and white option. Just to say 'hey, I work in colour but I can also work in black and white'. I'm planning on showing both, not just one or the other

[ShannonB]

@Braden-Hallett The changes are looking great, I personally think your colour looks great too and think if I was presenting in a portfolio I would put the two in because it shows you can do both well Great job